Donnybrook: May 25, 2023

>>> HEY THERE, I'M HERE FOR CHARLIE THIS WEEK.

I'LL OPEN THE SHOW SAYING MY MOM HAS RETURNED FROM ISRAEL AFTER TEN DAYS SAFE AND SOUND.

SHE HAD A WONDERFUL TIME, AND IT WAS WORTH IT.

WELCOME HOME, MOM.

A BIT SOMBER.

YESTERDAY, WE LOST TINA TURNER WHO LAUNCHED HER CAREER HERE, LIVED HERE FOR MANY MANY YEARS.

IT SET ME BACK, SOMEONE YOU NEVER THOUGHT THAT YOU WOULD THINK ABOUT TINA TURNER AS PASSING AWAY.

SHE LEFT US YESTERDAY, WHAT A TREMENDOUS ENTERTAINER AND REPRESENTATIVE OF ST. LOUIS.

NOT JUST US OR AROUND HERE BUT THE ENTIRE WORLD IS MOURNING TINA TURNER RIGHT NOW.

AND ALSO, RICK HUMMEL.

I MET HIM MANY TIMES, AND A GREAT GENTLEMAN, AND I KNOW THAT BILL, YOU AND JOE WERE AROUND HIM FOR DECADES, WHAT A GUY.

>> YEAH, WHEN I STARTED AT THE DISPATCH, TWO PEOPLE I KNEW BY REPUTATION, AND READING THE STORIES.

ONE WAS THIS GUY HERE, THE OTHER WAS RICK.

I READ MORE OF RICK'S, BASEBALL WAS THREE OR FOUR STORIES EVERY GAME, AND HOW HE DID IT AND DID IT SO WELL EVERY GAME, DAY IN AND DAY OUT.

I REMEMBER BEING HESITANT TO APPROACH HIM, NOT A NICER GUY.

THE IDEA THIS GUY, HE'S IN COOPERSTOWN, THE BASEBALL HALL OF FAME.

HE WAS RESPECTED BY EVERYONE IN BASEBALL, CALLED COMISH BY TWO COMMISSIONERS.

DOWN TO EARTH, UNASSUMING GUY.

REST IN PEACE.

>> TERRIFIC FELLOW, AND BERNIE AND DEREK ALL WROTE STORIES THAT WERE REALLY WONDERFUL ABOUT HIM.

AND ARTICLE MENTIONED THAT ON THE DESK NEAR HIS BED WHEN THE MORNING HE DIED WAS A SCORE CARD WE MADE OF THE CARDINAL THE NIGHT BEFORE.

HE FOUND COMFORT IN THAT.

HE WAS SUCH A NICE GUYS, NEVER HAD A SHARP WORD FOR ANYONE.

ONE TIME TO ME, JOE WAS TAKING THE BASEBALL BEAT, BRINGING STRAUSS IN.

AND I SAID SOMETHING MODERATELY QUESTIONING.

I SAID LIKE, JOE, STRAUSS, HE'S AN EXERT ON THE -- EXPERTED ON THE CARDINALS NEXT WEEK?

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT.

AND RICK SAID, DON'T BE LIKE THAT.

JOE IS A GREAT GUY, A GREAT WRITER.

YOU'LL LIKE HIM.

DON'T BLAME HIM FOR ANYTHING.

AND THAT'S THE ONLY TIME I EVER HEARD HIM BE SHARP WITH ANYONE.

TELLING ME -- >> HE BETTER.

>> AND REALLY A TERRIFIC GUY.

>> AND JOE IS ON THE SHOW.

SO, ANYWAY, JOINING US ALSO WENDY WIESE.

RAY HARTMANN TOO.

AGAIN, JOE IS ME, AND I'M CHARLIE.

WE'LL START OUT AT THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

IT'S QUIET THIS WEEK, AND THAT'S A GOOD THING.

LAST FRIDAY, THE SELECTION TO REPLACE GARDENER, HE WON'T BE SWORN IN UNTIL AFTER MEMORIAL DAY.

AS HE FINISHES HIS REQUIREMENTS AT BENNETT.

THE CHOICE AND YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHERE WE GO FROM HERE.

>> THE GOVERNOR COULD HAVE DONE WORSE.

HE COULD HAVE BROUGHT IN ANYONE.

THIS WAS DIFFERENT THAN WHEN GEORGE RESIGNED, AND JOHN ASHCROFT WAS THE GOVERNOR, AND IT WAS MONTHS BEFORE THE ELECTION.

AND HE CHOSE THE REPUBLICAN AT THE TIME, THAT WAS ALREADY AN ANNOUNCED CANDIDATE.

THE ELECTION FOR THIS POSITION IS NOT FOR -- UNTIL NOVEMBER OF 24.

SURE SEEMS A QUALIFIED GUY.

BEING THE CYNIC THAT I AM, AND SOME MAY NOT APPRECIATE THAT, I THOUGHT, I COULDN'T STOP THINKING ABOUT HOW ONE OF THE BIG STORIES REGARDING ST. LOUIS IN THE LAST FEW YEARS INVOLVING THE GOVERNOR, WAS WHEN KIM GARDENER MADE THE RIGHT DECISION TO PROSECUTE THE MCCLOSKY'S FOR WAVING GUNS AT PROTESTERS IN 2020.

AND THERE'S -- HERE'S THE GUY THAT OFFERED A PARDON TO THEM, FOR THE PREVIOUS CIRCUIT ATTORNEY, AND I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE ASKED AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT DECISION AND WHAT WOULD YOU THINK IF THE GOVERNOR SITTING HERE NEXT TO YOU, DECIDES TO PARDON SOMEONE THAT YOU PROSECUTED BEFORE YOU CHARGED THEM?

THERE'S SOME IRONY TO THIS STORY, BUT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S GOOD NEWS ST. LOUIS HAS A -- SEEMS TO HAVE A REASONABLY WELL ACCLAIMED.

ONE LAST THOUGHT, FOR SOME REASON, THE POLICE OFFICERS, THE ST. LOUIS POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION WAS NOT EXACTLY HE FUSIVE ON THIS.

THEY WERE NOT JOINING ALL POLITICIANS FROM BOTH PARTIES IN THIS DECISION.

>> I LOVE THE WAY YOU WRITE, EVERYONE SHOULD SUBSCRIBE TO YOUR COLUMN.

IF HE WAS AT THE THEATER THE NIGHT OF -- IT WAS -- IT WAS REALLY A FUN COLUMN.

BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO GIVE THE MAN THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.

>> WE DO.

>> HE ASKED A LOT OF TERRIFIC QUESTIONS, WE'LL FIND OUT.

HE HAS A HER -- BIG TASK AHEAD OF HIM.

>> THEY DON'T HIRE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT REALLY SMART.

HE WAS ONE OF THE NAMES THROWN AROUND, HE AND REGGIE HARRIS TO BE THE NEXT U.S. ATTORNEY.

HE MIGHT HAVE BEEN U.S. ATTORNEY, BUT INSTEAD, CIRCUIT ATTORNEY.

TWO VERY DIFFERENT JOBS.

LIKE, VERY ODD.

I THINK A GREAT CHOICE.

>> YEAH, ECHO.

I WILL AGREE WITH RAY.

THAT GOVERNOR'S PARDON, KIM FILED CHARGES AGAINST SO FEW PEOPLE.

ONE THING I HEARD FROM A COUPLE OF SOURCES, IS ACTUALLY THE CIRCUIT JUDGES WERE ACTUALLY IMPRESSED IN A ZOOM MEETING OR A CONFERENCE CALL WITH GOVERNOR, WHO SAID WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?

AND HE SAID I WANT THE BEST GUY OR GAL.

AND I DON'T CARE ABOUT PARTY.

WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS TRUE, THE JUDGES WERE PLEASANTLY SURPRISED WHEN THEY MET WITH PARSON, I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU, WHO YOU THINK IS THE PERSON TO COME IN AND CLEAN THIS MESS UP.

AS WENDY IS ON RADIO, ON KTRS, THE PROFESSOR SAID, THE GOVERNOR HAS A CHANCE TO BE A STATESMAN.

AND I THINK HE WAS.

>> I AGREE WITH THAT.

I DID -- THE FIRST WORD, HE DESERVES CREDIT.

I CAN'T HELP MYSELF FROM NOTING IT'S SUCH A DEPARTURE FROM THE MAGA POINTS HE EMBRACES A LOT.

HE DID THE RIGHT THING.

HE DID TAKE THIS VERY SERIOUSLY, AND HE WAS VERY MUCH OPEN, HE DIDN'T STAY ON THE SCRIPT.

I AGREE.

I THINK IT WAS A -- SOMETHING HE SHOULD BE CREDITED FOR.

>> LET ME ASK YOU THIS.

HE DIDN'T RULE OUT RUNNING FOR THE OFFICE IN A YEAR OR SO FROM NOW.

HE SAID, I CAN'T THINK ABOUT IT NOW BUT I CAN'T RULE IT OUT WHEN THE TIME COMES.

DOES THAT GUARANTEE THAT HE'LL RUN.

I FELL IN THE 80% ON THE SIDE HE'LL SEEK THIS OFFICE.

>> I THINK IT'LL DEPEND ON HOW IT GOES.

KIND OF A GET THE BAND TOGETHER AGAIN SORT OF THING.

GET EVERYTHING RUNNING.

I DON'T THINK IT'S A SURE THING AT ALL.

>> I THINK HE WILL.

>> HE'S GOT A LOT OF MONEY ON THE TABLE.

>> HE IS.

>> I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT OF THE BASIC ANALYSIS.

WE CAN'T SAY YET.

HE HAS CONNECTIONS IN THE MRIL WORLD ON -- POLITICAL WORLD ON BOTH SIDES.

HE WORKED FOR JACK EARLY IN HIS CAREER IN THE WACO INVESTIGATION.

GOD FORBID AFTER CLARENCE THOMAS AND HOLLY, I HOPE -- >> IT WAS SECOND IN COMMAND -- >> I'LL SAY, WE DON'T NEED -- ON THE OTHER SIDE, JAY NIXON WAS FOND OF HIM AND APPOINTED HIM TO THE BOARD.

AND THE FERGUSON COMMISSION.

HE'S GOT CONNECTIONS, BUT I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S AN INTERESTING JOB.

HE MIGHT VERY WELL LOOK AT IT -- >> I CAN IMAGINE, KNOWING WHAT MYSELF A BIT, A LOT OF THE COURT REPORTERS HAD A DIFFICULT TIME GETTING INFORMATION.

THE PICTURE OF DYSFUNCTION THE MEDIA WAS ABLE TO REPORT IS PROBABLY MUCH WORSE.

I WONDER WHEN YOU WALK IN AND OPEN UP THE -- CLOSETS, IT COULD BE SOMETHING YOU'LL HAVE -- >> FLIP THE LAST PAGE OF THE BACK LOG.

SPEAKING OF ATTORNEYS, PEOPLE VOTING OUT OF THE OFFICE.

BAILEY, IT SEEMS THAT QUOTE UNQUOTE A LOT OF GOOD CONSERVATIVES ARE LEAVING HIS OFFICE.

KIM GARDENER, 2.0 HERE?

>> I DON'T THINK SO.

IT SOUND LIKE SOME OF THE FOLKS HAD ALREADY MADE THE DECISION TO -- THE DYE WAS CAST IN OTHER WORDS.

THEY WERE GOING TO LEAF ANYWAY.

BUT -- LEAVE ANYWAY.

BUT ANDREW BAILEY SEEMS TO HAVE TROUBLE GETTING HIS FOOTING.

THERE'S THE QUESTION BEING POSED BY WILL SHARP, WHO'S THROWN HIS HAT IN THE RING FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S POSITION, ASKING ABOUT THE VIDEO GAMING AND HIS CONNECTION TO THAT INDUSTRY.

I THINK ANDREW BAILEY HAS TO GET COUNCIL IN THERE PRETTY QUICKLY THAT HE CAN RELY ON.

>> I'M NOT AN ANDREW BAILEY FAN BUT A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE GO TO WORK HERE JUST TO GET IT ON THEIR RESUME.

LIKE JIM TALENT'S SON.

THAT'S ONE WHO LEFT.

I DON'T THINK HE WAS EVER INTENDING TO BE A CAREER GUY IN THE OFFICE.

>> IT'S A DIFFERENT WORLD TODAY, IF YOUNG PEOPLE AREN'T HAPPY WITH SOMETHING, THEY LEAVE.

THERE'S NOT A LOT OF HESITATION.

THE WAY WE WERE BROUGHT UP, IT'S MAKE A NAME FOR YOURSELF, STAY FIVE OR TEN YEARS.

THEY DON'T DO THAT TODAY.

>> YOU BROUGHT UP TWO GOOD POINTS, BOTH YOU MENTIONED THIS STORY WAS SORT OF PUSHED BY WILL, WHO'S RUNNING AGAINST ANDREW BAILEY IN THE PRIMARY.

I THINK HE MADE A VERY GOOD POINT ABOUT QUESTIONING THE TIES TO THE VIDEO GAMING AND THE GAMBLING INDUSTRY.

THAT WAS A LEGIT POINT.

AND HE SAW A GOOD CHANCE TO GET THE WORDS ANDREW BAILEY AND KIM IN THE SAME SENTENCE.

>> AND IT'S POLITICS.

IS HE THE NEXT KIM GARDENER?

YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR A LOT OF DISASTER WATER.

>> I AGREE.

SEIZE THE YOU WANT TO BE MAKE THE -- >> THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

BUT, KIM SHE WASN'T GIVEN THAT BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT ANYTIME SOMEONE LEFT.

I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S VERY COMMON IN PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE.

>> THERE WAS AN ASSUMPTION THAT EVERYONE WHO LEFT, LEFT FOR THAT REASON AS OPPOSED TO TO THE FACT YOU'RE MAKING, THAT'S ACCURATE.

THE JOBS ARE GENERALLY NOT PLACES, WHERE PEOPLE PLAN TO SPEND THEIR WHOLE CAREER.

SHE WAS NOT GIVEN THAT BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.

NOW -- >> SHE'S GOING ON -- >> I GET IT, BUT SAYING, THAT'S INTERESTING TO HEAR.

>> I THINK THAT IS.

>> I DO THINK THAT WILL SHARP IS ASKING QUESTIONS.

>> IN A LOT OF HEADLINES RECENTLY.

>> HE'S ASKING QUESTIONS, QUITE HONESTLY WOULD BE ASKING ALREADY.

>> BUT MILLHAVEN, LISTENING TO SOMEONE TO NAIL JELL-O TO A WALL WHEN HE HAD ANDREW BAILEY ON EARLIER THIS WEEK.

>> IN GENERAL.

>> THIS IS, OKAY, I GET A FEELING THAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE LEFT, IT'S LIKE HE TOOK OVER, DIDN'T RUN FOR OFFICE, WAS APPOINTED AND HE'S RUNNING AGAIN.

IT'S STRAIGHT POLITICS.

MAYBE AS AN ATTORNEY WORKING THERE, LOOK, I'M A CONSERVATIVE, A REPUBLICAN, BUT I DIDN'T COME HERE TO GET HIM ELECTED.

>> AND SOME SAID, LOOK, I DIDN'T SIGN ON TO WRITE THE BRIEFS ON THE ISSUES.

>> OUR STATE, I GUESS THIS IS A REAL THING.

SINCE THEY'RE CONSIDERING THIS.

BILL, I HAVE KIDS, RUNNING WILD, AND THEY COME TO ME, GET THEM TOGETHER OR YOU GO TO JAIL.

WHERE ARE YOU AT ON THAT?

>> I SUGGESTED BEFORE, SOME OF THE KIDS STRIKE ME AS AMORAL.

THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT ANYTHING.

MAYBE IF WE PUT THEIR MOTHERS IN JAIL, THEY ALL LOVE THEIR MOMS.

A FEDERAL JUDGE INVITED ME TO SPEAK IN A LUNCHEON, AND THEN THAT CAME OUT, A COUPLE OF JUDGES OBJECTED TO IT, AND HENRY SAID, WE HAVE TO DISINVITE YOU.

I SAID, YOU'RE NOT PAYING ME.

I LIKE THE IDEA.

SOME OF THE KIDS, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO REACH THEM.

AND SO, YEAH.

>> YOU DESERVE TO BE DISINVITED.

>> I CAN'T -- I DON'T THINK YOU COULD DO THAT.

I DON'T THINK -- WE WANT TO TRY EVERYTHING.

BUT THE PRESUMPTION THAT A PARENT IS GUILTY BECAUSE THEIR KIDS HAVE GOTTEN AWAY FROM THEM.

>> WE'LL GIVE THEM A CHANCE.

>> I'M SAYING, I JUST DON'T -- THAT'S NOT HOW OUR -- ARE SET UP.

>> HE HAS TO GO TO SCHOOL.

>> I GET THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU CAN CRIMINALIZE THE PARENT.

THAT'S NOT THE WAY THE SYSTEM IS SET UP.

THEY ARE OTHER PEOPLE, AND THEY'RE NOT AN EXTENSION OF THE MOM.

>> JAIL IS A DETERRENT TO CRIME.

IF THERE WAS A THREAT OR THE PARENT SAY, DO YOU REALIZE THEY COULD HOLD ME OVER THE WEEKEND BECAUSE OF YOU?

START GOING TO SCHOOL, MAYBE IT'LL WORK.

>> AND I DON'T THINK, I'M NOT A LAWYER.

IF THE PARENTS AREN'T RESPONSIBLE, WHO IS?

>> YOU CAN'T JUST PUT THEM IN JAIL.

>> THERE HAS TO BE A MESSAGE.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S -- IN JAIL, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT 16 ABSENCES.

80% OF ATTENDANCE.

I KNOW WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED TO ME IF I GOT CAUGHT ONE TIME.

THESE ARE MISSING ONE DAY A WEEK FOR AN ENTIRE SEMESTER.

AT SOME POINT IN TIME, SOMEONE HAS TO CARE.

>> SOMEONE WILL THROW THEM IN JAIL, NO TRIAL OR NOTHING.

THROW THEM IN JAIL.

>> WHAT'S THE CRIME GOING TO SAY AND THE PROCESS LOOK LIKE?

WE'LL PUT THE THEM IN JAIL.

>> NOT SAY THAT.

IT'LL BE A -- THE PARENTS WILL BE BROUGHT IN, OFTEN THE MOTHER BROUGHT IN AND -- >> CHARGED?

>> EVENTUALLY.

>> CHARGING WITH A CRIME.

WHERE'S DAD?

JUST THE MOM?

>> LET'S BE REAL ABOUT IT, OKAY.

THE GROUP OF STUDENTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, PROBABLY DON'T HAVE TWO PARENTS IN THE HOME.

>> HOW DO YOU DECIDE WHICH PARENT?

>> THE ONE IN CUSTODY AND IN CHARGE.

>> YOU'LL CHARGE THEM WITH A CRIME, DO THEY GET DEFENSE COUNSEL?

WHAT'S THE PROCESS.

>> WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE KIDS GOING TO SCHOOL?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

IN THIS CASE -- >> APPARENTLY YOU HAVE CHILDREN, I HAVE CHILDREN.

>> A CRIME THAT YOUR CHILD DOESN'T GO TO SCHOOL, I DON'T THINK IT'S A CRIMINAL OFFENSE, A, AND B, I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED THE STATE TO DECIDE, THE -- WE GOT THE STATE TO DO ALL KINDS OF THINGS.

>> HAVE THE STATE IGNORE IT NOW AND THEN TAKE CARE OF THEM.

>> YOU COULD MAKE A CASE OF THE KID IN FOSTER CARE.

>> THE KID IN JAIL.

>> THE PARENT IS IRRESPONSIBLE.

>> THERE ARE CASES OF IRRESPONSIBLE PARENTING, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU -- >> I THINK SOME WAY SO THE KIDS DON'T GET IN THE -- >> WE ALL AGREE THAT WOULD BE NICE, BUT JAILING THE MOTHER IS NOT THE WAY TO GO.

>> WE'RE NOW A FEW GENERATIONS IN TO A COMPLETE BREAK DOWN WHEN IT COMES TO ACCOUNTABILITY, AND WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE KIDS.

AND IT'LL ONLY GET WORSE.

>> WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF THE WATER MAINS BREAKING IN THE CITY.

JOE, IT'S YOU.

>> I HAVE INDEED BEEN BREAKING THE WATER MAINS.

IT'S A SITUATION IN THE NEWS BEING THAT CITY WANTS TO RAISE THE RATES BY 40%.

AND SO, LET ME UNEQUIVOCALLY STATE, I DO NOT WANT TO PAY MORE.

BUT I WANT MORE WHEN I TURN THE FAUCET ON, THE WATER COMES OUT.

THE SAME EXPECTATION OF THE ELECTRIC COMPANY AND THE SEWER DISTRICT.

A COUPLE OF THOSE, WHEN I TURN THEM ON, I WANT THEM TO COME IN.

WHEN I FLUSH, THEY GO AWAY.

20 YEARS AGO, TALKING TO THE WATER GUYS, THE PIPES WERE OUT DATED TEN YEARS AGO.

WAS THE CITY AT FAULT OVER DECADES FOR KICKING THAT CAN DOWN THE STREET?

ABSOLUTELY.

BUT AT SOME TIME, YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.

AND I WANT WATER TO COME IN THE HOUSE.

I'VE BEEN WITHOUT WATER.

NOT FUN.

I DON'T WANT THAT.

IF THAT'S THE COST THAT IT'LL TAKE, THEN YOU PAY IT.

>> YOU FIND OUT WHO'S FAULT -- PUT THE MOM IN JAIL.

>> NOBODY IS RESPONSIBLE.

>> SOMEONE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WATER MAIN BREAK, PUT THE MOM IN JAIL.

TEACH THEM A LESSON.

>> THE CITIZENS, THE USERS, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TURNING ON THE FAUCETS LIKE JOE.

THEY'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DETERIORATING SYSTEM.

LET THEM OFF THE HOOK.

>> ESPECIALLY I JUST MOVED TO THE CITY.

>> SOME OF THE REAL ESTATE IS REASONABLE BUT THE WATER BILL IS -- >> EVERY EXPENDITURE THAT THE GOVERNMENT MAKES.

WHETHER IT'S PROPERTY TAX -- THE IDEA IS EVERYTHING THAT THE GOVERNMENT DOES FOR YOU, THEY'RE USING YOUR MONEY TO DO IT.

NOW THEY'RE IN A CRISIS SITUATION, BECAUSE WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE IN SMALLER INCREMENTS.

BUT EVERYONE WITH THE WAILING AND NASHING OF TEETHED WITH THE INCREASE, THEY PUT IT OFF AND PUT IT OFF.

SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T PUT IT OFF ANYMORE, FIX IT.

AND THE COST IS THE COST.

>> ALL RIGHT, TWO MINUTES LEFT.

I GET THE ALERT ON MY PHONE WHEN THE INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION WILL GO OVER, IT'LL BE AT 10:50 P.M..

BUT THE BIG, BIG NATIONAL CONFERENCE WAS HERE THIS WEEK AND IT WAS DETERMINED THAT ST. LOUIS IS THE HOT BED OF ENTHUSIASM FOR THE GEO SPATIAL INDUSTRY.

RAY, DO YOU AGREE?

>> I THINK WE'RE A PLAYER, WE'VE HAD IT FOR DECADES, AND NOW IT'S IN A NEW HOME, A BIT BIGGER.

IT'S AN AREA THAT WE SHOULD BE, THE WHOLE GEO SPATIAL AREA IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD PURSUE.

IT'S A GREAT THING.

I WROTE ABOUT IT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, THAT GREATER ST. LOUIS WAS PROCLAIMING THAT WE WERE THE CENTER.

AND THE PROBLEM WAS, NOT DOWN ON ST. LOUIS , BUT JUST NOT TRUE.

>> IT WOULD BE -- >> EXACTLY.

AND MY POINT IS WE NEED TO BE REAL.

WE NEED TO BE PROUD OF THE CITY, IT'S ONE OF THE BEST PLACES TO LIVE IN THE COUNTRY.

BEST FOOD AND CULTURE.

>> BUT WE DON'T NEED TO SAY UNTRUE THINGS TO MAKE OURSELVES FEEL BETTER.

>> I DISAGREE.

SOMETIMES WE DO NEED TO FEEL BETTER.

IF THE CITY WANT TO SAY WE'RE NUMBER ONE IN THE GEO SPACE -- >> EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT.

>> I DON'T WANT TO USE THE NAME, BUT IT'S TRUMPIAN.

>> NO, WE'RE THE BIGGEST PER CAPITA.

>> THEY SAID CENTER, AND WE'RE NOT CLOSE.

WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT -- YOU CAN SAY THINGS BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THINGS UP.

>> I THINK IT'S ALL RIGHT.

>> SOMETIMES -- >> YOU'RE JOURNALISTS.

>> I NEVER BELIEVE, ANYTIME -- >> GOT TO MOVE ON.

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THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US TONIGHT.

CHARLIE IS BACK NEXT WEEK, AND I'LL BE HERE IN THE REGULAR SEAT.

STAY TUNED FOR NEXT UP.