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>> CATHY: COMING UP ON "ALMANAC," WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE SOMBER 50TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE EDMUND FITZGERALD.

OWAMNI CHEF SEAN SHERMAN HAS A NEW BOOK COMING OUT.

ST.

PAUL MAYOR-ELECT KAOHLY HER JOINS US LIVE.

AND MARY LAHAMMER DIVES INTO THE RIPPLE EFFECT OF ELECTION RESULTS IN ST.

PAUL.

>> Mary: HISTORY HAS BEEN MADE ITH A NUMBER OF SPECIAL ELECTIONS NOW NECESSARY WITH HOUSE MEMBERS ELEVATING TO HIGHER OFFICE INCLUDING ONE WHO MADE HISTORY IN THE ST.

PAUL MAYORAL RACE.

>> THE FIRST ASIAN AND THE FIRST WOMAN MAYOR-ELECT -- [ Cheers and applause ] >> Mary: THAT'S COMING UP ON "ALMANAC."

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>> CATHY: COMING UP IN THE NEXT HOUR, WE'LL TALK WITH PAUL DOUGLAS ABOUT THE STORM THAT SANK THE EDMUND FITZGERALD 50 YEARS AGO THIS MONTH.

CHEF SEAN SHERMAN IS HERE WITH A NEW BOOK, AND HE'LL PREVIEW OWAMNI MOVING INTO THE GUTHRIE NEXT SPRING.

WE'LL SPEND A LOT OF TIME SORTING THROUGH THIS WEEK'S ELECTION RESULTS NEAR AND FAR.

>> ERIC: AND THAT'S WHERE WE START TONIGHT.

IN JUST A FEW MINUTES, ST.

PAUL MAYOR-ELECT KAOHLY HER WILL JOIN US LIVE, BUT FIRST MARY LAHAMMER ROUNDS UP THE HISTORIC ELECTION RESULTS.

>> I'M PROUD TO STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY AS THE FIRST ASIAN AND THE FIRST WOMAN MAYOR-ELECT -- [ Cheers and applause ] >> Mary: STATE REPRESENTATIVE KAOHLY HER MAKES HISTORY.

>> SOUNDS LIKE YOU THINK WE SHOULD DO MORE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING -- >> YOU SHOULD ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING -- >> Mary: DEFEATING THE INCUMBENT SHE ONCE WORKED FOR IN A SHORT CAMPAIGN.

>> MY PARENTS WOULD HAVE WANTED NOTHING MORE TO WANTED NOTHING MORE T THAN TO BE HERE WITH US TODAY.

AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT -- [ Inaudible ] THE THINGS THAT THEY OUGHT TO GET US TO THIS COUNTRY -- AND I THINK ABOUT THE SACRIFICES THAT THEY MADE -- AND WHAT THEY DID SO THAT THEIR CHILDREN COULD HAVE A BETTER LIFE THAN THEM -- >> Mary: IT WAS A BIG NIGHT FOR IMMIGRANTS AND DEMOCRATS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AND REPRESENTATIVE HER ISN'T THE ONLY HOUSE MEMBER MOVING TO HIGHER OFFICE.

REPRESENTATIVE AMANDA HEMMINGSEN JAEGER WON THE SPECIAL ELECTION TO REPLACE NICOLE MITCHELL.

SHE WAS BACKED BY THE NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC LEGISLATIVE CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE.

>> WE SWEPT AS DEMOCRATS EVERYTHING LAST NIGHT, BUT MORE SPECIFICALLY AT OUR BALLOT LEVEL, WE PROTECTED NEARLY EVERY TARGET ON UR MAP.

AND IN THE LEADUP TO LAST NIGHT'S ELECTION, WE ALREADY PROTECTED SEVEN MAJORITIES IN 2025.

AND THE EARTHQUAKE WINS LAST NIGHT REAFFIRM THAT VOTERS REBUKE G.O.P.

EXTREMISM AND THAT THE AFFORDABILITY CRISIS REMAINS THE ISSUE THAT IS ON VOTERS' MINDS.

>> Mary: THAT WIN HOLDS THE ONE-SEAT MAJORITY FOR DEMOCRATS IN THE STATE SENATE.

REPUBLICANS RETAINED THE RURAL SEAT IN WRIGHT COUNTY WITH MICHAEL HOLSTROM'S VICTORY.

I THINK THE MEMBER IN OUR COMMUNITIES HAVE A VERY UNDERSTATED ROLE IN BEING LEADERS IN THEIR HOUSEHOLD AND SHOWING HERE'S SOMETHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN MY OWN PERSONAL LIFE AND PUSHING THAT OUTWARD.

WE DO A LOT OF WORK TO TRY TO INSPIRE THE MEN IN OUR COMMUNITY TO BE -- TO SHOW EXAMPLES TO THAT.

>> Mary: WITH TWO HOUSE DEMOCRATS WINNING ELECTION, THAT MEANS TWO MORE SPECIAL ELECTIONS WILL BE NECESSARY, AND THAT SHOULD SET A NEW RECORD.

IT ALSO GIVES REPUBLICAN HOUSE SPEAKER LISA DEMUTH, TECHNICALLY A TWO-VOTE ADVANTAGE THE VERY SAME WEEK SHAW ANNOUNCED HER CHALLENGE OF GOVERNOR WALZ.

>> I'M LISA DEMUTH AND I'M -- I KNOW TOGETHER THAT WE CAN BUILD A STRONGER MINNESOTA.

FOR TODAY.

AND FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.

AND I LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING TO WORK.

>> GLAD SHE'S RUNNING.

I ALWAYS APPRECIATE ANYONE WHO'S WILLING TO PUT THEMSELVES OUT THERE AND I THINK THEY'LL WORK THAT OUT ON THE OTHER SIDE AND WE'LL SEE WHO COMES OUT NEXT AUGUST.

>> Mary: BILLS WILL STUL HAVE TO BE BIPARTISAN IN THE HOUSE BECAUSE 68 VOTES ARE REQUIRED TO PASS.

>> WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE ONE SIZE FITS ALL MANDATES ACROSS THE STATED.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S LOCAL CONTROL WITHIN OUR CITIES, WITHIN OUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS, AND OUR BUSINESSES, MAKING THIS A PLACE TO THRIVE.

>> WE SHOULD ACTUALLY DIG IN ON THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION BECAUSE THIS GETS AT THE CRUX OF THE ISSUES THAT WE ACTUALLY DEAL WITH.

>> Mary: MEANWHILE IN MINNEAPOLIS, RECORD TURNOUT RESULTED IN A LONG BATTLE FOR INCUMBENT MAYOR JACOB FREY TO EVENTUALLY PREVAIL.

>> I AM HUMBLED BY THE TRUST AND SUPPORT THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY OF THE MINNEAPOLIS.

MINNEAPOLIS IS A GREAT CITY THAT IS ON THE RISE.

AND FROM RIGHT NOW, UNTIL MY FINAL SECONDS IN OFFICE, I WILL WORK TIRELESSLY TO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO MAKE SURE THAT MINNEAPOLIS IS A PLACE WHERE EVERYONE, REGARDLESS OF YOUR BACKGROUND OR WHERE YOU GREW UP CAN LIVE A BRILLIANT LIFE IN AN AFFORDABLE HOME, IN A SAFE NEIGHBORHOOD.

♪ ♪ >> ERIC: WHEN WE HOSTED OUR MINNEAPOLIS AND ST.

PAUL MAYORAL DEBATES THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, WE INVITED THE WINNERS TO RETURN THIS WEEK.

WE ARE HAPPY TO WELCOME BACK REPRESENTATIVE KAOHLY HER, WHO NOW ALSO CARRIES THE TITLE ST.

PAUL MAYOR-ELECT.

WELCOME, MAYOR-ELECT.

CONGRATULATIONS.

WHAT'S GOING TO CHANGE?

UNDER YOUR ADMINISTRATION?

>> WELL, WHAT'S GOING TO CHANGE IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CITY HALL FOCUSED ON WORKING ON THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF OUR CITY AND MAKING SURE THAT THE CORE CITY OPERATION THE WAY THAT OUR RESIDENTS EXPECT US TO.

AND THEN THEY SHOULD ALSO EXPECT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD.

WE NEED MORE HOUSING AND WE'RE GOB WORK ON MAKING OUR CITY OPEN FOR BUSINESS SO ALL THE THINGS THAT I PROMISED I WOULD DO.

>> Cathy: I WANT TO ASK YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE AGENDA.

YOU'RE THE FIRST PERSON -- YOU MADE HISTORY, IGHT?

AND YOU'RE THE FIRST PERSON TO KNOCK OFF AN INCUMBENT IN 20 YEARS.

HOW DID SHE DO IT?

>> YEAH, SO THERE'S NO SECRET.

AND IT'S, LIKE, NO MAGIC, YOU KNOW, OF THIS.

IT'S THAT MELISSA HORTMAN ALREADY HAD A PLAY BOOK FOR US OF.

AND ALL I DID WAS TAKE EVERYTHING SHE TAUGHT ME ND I IMPLEMENTED IT AND WE KEPT MOVING FORWARD.

WE KNOCKED DOORS.

WE TALKED TO VOTERS.

WE HAD MEET AND GREETS.

WE PUT OUT LAWN SIGNS.

I MEAN, WE DID EVERYTHING THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO TO ENSURE THAT WE HAD A GOOD REPRESENTATIVE CAMPAIGN.

>> Cathy: SO TRULY RETAIL POLITICS.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> Eric: COMMUNICATION SEEMENTZ TO BE A BIG DEAL FOR YOU.

WHY IS THAT?

>> I THINK THAT AT THE HEART OF EVERY ISSUE THAT YOU EXPERIENCE, IT'S COMMUNICATION.

I'VE ALWAYS BELIEVED THAT WHEN THERE'S A COULD BE FLICT BETWEEN ME AND SOMEBODY, I DON'T LOOK AT WHO WAS WRONG.

I LOOK AT WHAT COULD I HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY.

AND I FIND THAT WHEN YOU HAVE GOOD COMMUNICATION, THAT'S HALF OF THE BATTLE OF SOLVING THE PROBLEMS.

>> Cathy: SO AS YOU KNOW, THERE ARE FOLKS WHO THINK THE ST.

PAUL CITY COUNCIL'S PRETTY DYSFUNCTIONAL, USING WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT COMMUNICATION, HOW MIGHT YOU NAVIGATE RELATIONSHIPS?

>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME TO COME IN AND REALLY LEARN HOW EACH PERSON COMMUNICATES.

BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS, IT'S NOT ABOUT HOW I COMMUNICATE.

IT'S HOW DO I MEET SOMEBODY, HOW THEY COMMUNICATE.

AND SO REALLY WORKING WITH THEM AND UNDERSTANDING THEIR PRIORITIES BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE FEEL LIKE WE AREN'T SHOWING UP JEN JEGENUINELY IN THE RELATIONSHIP.

>> Eric: I THINK ST.

PAUL CITY TAXES ARE THE HIGHEST CITY TAXES IN THE STATE.

AND WITH THE -- WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, DO YOU NEED NEXT REVENUE AND THAT WOULD COME FROM A SOURCE THAT'S NOT BEING USED NOW?

>> WE'RE LOOKING AT PLANNING THE NEW REVENUE SOURCE, THE URBAN WEALTH FUND THAT I TALKED BUT TRUTHLY, WE HAVE TO BUILD OUR TAX BASE, ENSURING OUR CITY IS OPEN FOR BUSINESS, BEING ABLE TO GET OUT PERMITS AND LICENSES, BUT WE HAVE TO GROW THE RESIDENTIAL AS WELL.

WE HAVE TO BUILD MORE PROPERTIES SO THAT PEOPLE CAN MOVE INTO OUR CITY.

THAT'S THE BEST WAY FOR US TO ENSURE OF KEEPING PROPERTY TAXES DOWN.

>> Cathy: I WAS TALKING TO A LEADER IN THE NON-PROFIT COMMUNITY WHO HEARD ABOUT THE URBAN WEALTH FUND CONCEPT AND WAS INTRIGUED.

>> YEAH.

>> Cathy: SO MIGHT THAT BE PLAN "A" OR MAYBE "B" TO REDUCE PROPERTY TAXES FOR RESIDENTIAL HOMEOWNERS?

>> ABSOLUTELY, I THINK WE HAVE TO DO ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

WE NEED TO WORK WITH THE RIGHT PARTNERS WHO CAN HELP US STRUCTURE THAT FINANCIAL INSTRUMENT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THE URBAN WEALTH FUND UP AND RUNNING AND THAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN PHASES AS WELL BECAUSE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CATEGORIES OF ASSETS THAT WE HAVE AND THEN TO SAY, WHAT ASSETS CAN WE DEPLOY RIGHT NOW, AND THEN HOW DO WE PUT THAT INTO THE WEALTH FUND.

>> Cathy: FOR FOLKS NOT FAMILIAR, HOW DOES T WORK EXACTLY?

>> SO AGAIN, THERE'S A COMPLEXITY IN THAT BECAUSE I CAN GIVE YOU A QUICK OAIVE.

YOU TAKE THE CURRENT ASSETS THAT YOU ALREADY OWN -- >> Cathy: LAND, UTILITIES.

>> AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT IERS, WE CAN FOCUS FIRST ON THE 1600 PROPERTIES THAT ARE VACANT RIGHT NOW AND THE 30 COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT THE AT THAT THE A CITY OWNS.

FOR IT TO TART GENERATING REVENUES BACK TO THE ITY.

>> Eric: COME FEBRUARY 17TH OR BEFORE, YOU'LL BE UP VISITING YOUR FRIENDS AT THE LEGISLATURE.

AND I WONDER IF YOU'VE SKETCHES OUT A LEGISLATIVE AGENDA FOR ST.

PAUL IN THE 2026 SESSION?

>> ILL I AM ACTUALLY GOING TO START WORKING ON THAT, BUT I WILL SAY THAT I'VE ALREADY HAD SOME PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS WITH FRIENDS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE TO SAY LIKE, THIS IS OUR CITY AND I'M GOING TO NEED ALL OF YOUR HELP.

AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SO WELCOMING AND OPEN TO WORKING WITH ME.

AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT MY ASK YET IS, BUT THEY SAID THEY ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH ME ON THIS BECAUSE IT IS OUR CITY.

>> Cathy: I HAVE TO ASK OF COURSE BECAUSE IT WAS AN ISSUE ON THE COUCH LAST WEEK DURING THE DEBATE.

THAT IS A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY, $450 MILLION, TO FIX UP THE GRAND CASINO ARENA, WHICH SOON TO BE FORMER MAYOR CARTER THINKS IS A LYNCH-PIN TO REVITALIZING DOWNTOWN ST.

PAUL.

WILL YOU PLAN TO GO IN THE DIRECTION HE WAS GOING?

OR HAVE SOME OTHER WAY?

TO MAYBE HELP THE WILD?

AND HELP DOWNTOWN?

>> SO I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE OWNER OF THE WILD, A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.

WE NEED TO REVISIT THESE CONVERSATIONS AND TALK ABOUT WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE PLAN A, B, AND C, AND THAT THIS IS A CITY ASSET.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS ASSET BELONGS O THE CITY, SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF IT.

SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT A PLAN.

>> Eric: WHEN WILL YOU START NAMING DEPARTMENT HEADS?

>> HOPEFULLY IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS.

>> Eric: YOU GOT SOME NAMES ALREADY LINED UP?

>> GOT 'EM IN MY HEAD.

[ Laughter ] >> Eric: ALL RIGHT, WELL, CONGRATULATIONS.

WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO TALKING TO YOU AS LIFE GOES ON.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME AGAIN.

>> Cathy: APPRECIATE IT.

CONGRATULATIONS.

♪ >> WE'RE STILL TRYING TO WRAP OUR HEADS AROUND IT.

SO WE WENT FROM 21 MEMBERS, A MINORITY, SO SMALL, THAT WE COULD NOT EVEN SUSTAIN A GOVERNOR'S VETO.

TO 37 MEMBERS, IT WAS A TOTAL PICKUP OF 16 SEATS.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE 21 NEW MEMBERS BECAUSE WE HAD FIVE REQUIREMENTS.

RETIREMENTS.

WE HELD ALL THE RETIREMENT SEATS AND PICKED UP 16 -- PICKED OFF 16 D.F.L.

INCUMBENTS.

AND IT'S BEEN 38 YEARS.

I'M 39 YEARS OLD.

SO MY ENTIRE LIFE, THE DFL HAS BEEN IN CHARGE OF THE MINNESOTA SENATE.

♪ ♪ >> CATHY: WE TURN OUR ATTENTION NOW TO NATIONAL POLITICS AND TUESDAY'S ELECTION RESULTS.

DEMOCRATS WON BIG ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

IS THIS A TREND THAT WILL CONTINUE INTO MIDTERMS A YEAR FROM NOW?

DID THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN, NOW AT A RECORD 38 DAYS, PLAY A ROLE IN THE RESULTS?

LARRY JACOBS HEADS UP THE CENTER FOR THE STUDY OF POLITICS AND GOVERNANCE AT THE U OF M'S HUMPHREY SCHOOL.

WELCOME BACK.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

>> GOOD TO BE HERE.

>> Cathy: BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT THE RESULTS, EVIDENTLY, THE NEWS IS THAT AN APPEALS COURT HAS SAID TO THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, YOU GOT TO PAY S.N.A.P.

BENEFITS.

AND THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS SAYING, NOPE, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT TO THE SUPREME COURT.

WHAT ABOUT THIS?

>> WELL, THIS IS BEEN KIND OF A WELL KNOWN PATH.

WHERE THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN CHALLENGED IN COURT.

THEY LOSE, LOSE.

AND THEN IT GOES TO THE SUPREME COURT.

AND WHAT THE SUPREME COURT HAS BEEN DOING IS SAYING, BASICALLY, WELL, YOU GO AHEAD WITH THAT, MR.

TRUMP.

WE'LL TAKE UP THE BIG CASE LATER.

AND SO THEY KEEP BLOCKING DECISIONS BY LOWER COURTS.

LOWER COURTS ARE REPORTING THAT THEY EEL DISEMPOWERED, BECAUSE THEIR RULINGS ARE BEING PUSHED ASIDE BY THE SUPREME COURT.

WELL, SEE, OBVIOUSLY S.N.A.P.

IS URGENT.

PEOPLE ARE GOING HUNGRY.

AND THIS IS THE FEDERAL PROGRAM FOR LOW-INCOME FOLKS WHO NEED FOOD.

SO THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, I THINK IS TAKING A BEATING POLITICALLY, BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS, VERY TANGIBLE, IT'S GETTING A LOT OF PRESS COVERAGE, AND PEOPLE CAN RELATE TO IT.

>> Cathy: AND OF COURSE THE ROLLING BACK OF FLIGHTS TOO IS SOMETHING THAT'S MAKING PEOPLE A LITTLE SWEATY PALMED.

>> PEOPLE ARE THINKING ABOUT THANKSGIVINGS, ARE THINKING MAYBE I'LL BE STAYING HOME.

AND THAT'S ANOTHER KIND OF TANGIBLE RESULT OF THE SCHOENBERG.

THE REPUBLICANS THOUGHT THE DEMOCRATS WOULD GET HAMMERED ABOUT IT.

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY DID RESEARCH AND THEY THOUGHT THEY HAD A GOOD ARGUMENT.

BUT NOW THAT THE ACTUAL CONSEQUENCES ARE COMING FORWARD, THE POLLS ARE SHOWING THAT DONALD TRUMP IS BEING BLAMED MOSTLY FOR IT.

>> Eric: BROAD AND DEEP WINS FOR DEMOCRATS.

2026 IS A MONTH AWAY.

THAT'S WHEN EVERYBODY'S UP IN A MIDTERM.

ARE THESE RESULTS INDICATIVE OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN A YEAR FROM NOW OR YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT LEAP?

>> I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S EDUCATED ANALYSIS, BUT WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, THERE WERE THREE HINGS THAT HAPPENED ON TUESDAY NIGHT THAT ARE BAD NEWS FOR REPUBLICANS.

AND MY FRIENDS WHO ARE REPUBLICAN ANALYSTS, THEY'RE ALL SAYING THE SAME THING.

ONE IS THAT DONALD TRUMP'S UNPOPULARITY WAS A FACTOR IN NEW JERSEY AND VIRGINIA.

AND ELSEWHERE.

AND THIS IS NOT UNCOMMON.

USUALLY THE OUTPARTY GAINS IF YOU'VE GOT AN UNPOPULAR INPARTY IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

SO THAT'S SURPRISING.

THE ISSUE THAT IS HURTING DONALD TRUMP MOST IS INFLATION, AFFORDABILITY, THAT'S NOT GOING AWAY.

IN ADDITION, THERE'S OPPOSITION TO SOME OF HIS POLICIES, BUT IT'S REALLY THE KIND OF AFFORDABILITY ISSUE.

SECONDLY, WE SAW A HUGE INCREASE IN DEMOCRATIC TURNOUT.

AND THAT ENERGY WON'T GO AWAY.

THAT IS AN ENERGY THAT DONALD TRUMP IS FEEDING.

AND THE THIRD PART IS THAT THE VOTERS OF COLOR, HISPANICS, BLACK PEOPLE, WHO HAD OME OVER TO DONALD TRUMP IN 2024 AND LED TO A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A REALIGNMENT, THAT DISAPPEARED.

>> Cathy: I WONDER WHY?

>> WELL, I THINK PEOPLE LOOKED AT DONALD TRUMP AND THEY DIDN'T LIKE WHAT THEY WERE SEEING.

FIRST OFF, DONALD TRUMP SAID HIS NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS GOING TO BE INFLATION.

AND HE HASN'T TACKLED THAT.

HE'S GOT A LOT OF OTHER POLICIES HE WANTS TO WORK ON.

THEN THERE'S ALSO -- AND THE EXIT POLLS SHOWED THIS.

THERE WAS A SENSE THAT HIS IMMIGRATION POLICY, PARTICULARLY THE DEPORTATIONS HAD GONE TOO FAR.

AND THESE WERE, YOU KNOW, MAJORITIES OF PEOPLE SAYING IT.

SO THAT ALSO HURT HIM.

AND THEN I THINK THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, A REAL SENSE THAT THE DEMOCRATS MAY BE TURNING A CORNER AND BEING MORE ATTENTIVE TO ECONOMIC ISSUES, KIND OF WHAT PEOPLE NEED AT HOME.

>> Eric: DO WE BEGIN TO SEE THE REPUBLICANS WHO ARE RUNNING IN 2026 BEGIN A LITTLE BIT OF ARM'S LENGTH FROM THE PRESIDENT, OR ARE WE NOT THERE YET?

>> I THINK EVERY REPUBLICAN RUNNING FOR OFFICE IS WONDERING WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO.

YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, LISA DEMUTH CAME OUT AND ANNOUNCED IN HER VIDEO ABOUT THE CAMPAIGN, HAS PROMINENTLY DONALD TRUMP IN IT.

AND MY GUESS WOULD BE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE A WHOLE LOT OF THAT MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE THERE IS GOING TO BE A DONALD TRUMP DRAG ON PARTICULARLY CANDIDATES WHO ARE IN COMPETITIVE RACES AS WILL THE GOVERNOR'S RACE.

AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK SHE HAS A GOOD ARGUMENT.

I THINK TIM WALZ HAS GOT SOME REAL PROBLEMS HE'S GOT TO EXPLAIN TO VOTERS.

BUT WHAT TIM WALZ IS GOING TO DO IS, HE'S GOING TO MAKE THE REFERENDUM NOT HIM, BUT DONALD TRUMP.

>> Eric: YEAH.

REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR EXPERTISE.

THANKS FOR COMING OVER.

♪ >> ARON: BIG NEWS, EVERYONE!

I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT AFTER SEVERAL MONTHS OF LOOKING, I HAVE FINALLY FOUND A NEW JOB!

HOW DID I DO IT?

MAYBE IT'S MY PANACHE, MY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, OR MY '90S-INSPIRED HAIRCUT.

WHO'S TO SAY?

WHAT I CAN SAY, THOUGH, IS THAT IT IS ROUGH OUT THERE.

YOU OR SOMEONE YOU KNOW IS PROBABLY LOOKING FOR A NEW JOB.

MANY SMALLER COMPANIES LIKE TARGET, AMAZON, OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAVE STARTED LETTING PEOPLE GO, AND THAT MEANS LOTS OF PEOPLE LOOKING FOR NEW GIGS.

AND THE QUESTION IS, HOW DO YOU STAND OUT AMONGST THE CROWD?

MY ANSWER?

I DON'T KNOW.

I DO NOT KNOW.

FOR MONTHS, I APPLIED TO HUNDREDS OF JOBS.

I USED LINKEDIN, LINKEDIN PREMIUM, INDEED, GLASSDOOR, HECK, EVEN A VOODOO DOLL.

NONE OF IT WORKED.

IF YOU HAVEN'T LOOKED FOR A JOB IN A WHILE, YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW ABOUT SOME OF THE STRANGE FOIBLES OF LOOKING FOR A NEW GIG.

FOR STARTERS, COMPANIES DON'T REALLY TELL YOU WHEN THEY'VE DECIDED NOT TO HIRE YOU.

INSTEAD, YOU JUST HEAR NOTHING BACK.

OR SOMETIMES YOU GET A RESPONSE SO MANY MONTHS LATER THAT YOU'VE ALREADY FORGOTTEN ABOUT THE JOB.

BUT IT IS A NICE LITTLE REMINDER THAT YOU'RE STILL UNEMPLOYED.

AND SOME JOBS ARE JUST SCAMS.

IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR A NIGERIAN PRINCE TO TEXT YOU SAYING HE HAS A FULL-TIME JOB WITH BENEFITS WAITING FOR YOU.

AND THE ONLY THING HE NEEDS IS YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER TO GET STARTED.

AND JUST KNOW, WHILE THAT SEEMS SILLY AFTER FOUR MONTHS OF JOB HUNTING, IT WILL LOOK LIKE A GREAT OFFER.

I'M NOT TELLING YOU THIS TO DISCOURAGE OR DEPRESS YOU.

I'M TELLING YOU THIS TO REMIND YOU TO KEEP GOING.

EVERY MOMENT ADDS UP.

IF YOU KEEP PUSHING, YOU WILL EVENTUALLY FIND SOMETHING NEW.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME, DETERMINATION, AND '90S STYLE HAIRCUTS.

SO PLEASE KEEP TRYING.

BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW.

SOMETHING NEW MIGHT BE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.

♪ ♪ >> ERIC: THE FEDERAL SHUTDOWN HAS STRETCHED INTO ANOTHER MONTH, AND FOR THE SECOND WEEK, THE BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS HAS CANCELED RELEASING ITS JOBS REPORT.

LOCAL DATA OR PRIVATE FIRMS MAY OFFER SOME INSIGHT DURING THIS DATA BLACKOUT, BUT IS THERE CAUSE FOR CONCERN FOLLOWING LAYOFFS AT MAJOR CORPORATIONS LIKE TARGET IN OCTOBER?

PROFESSOR LOUIS JOHNSTON IS BACK TO SHARE HIS INSIGHTS.

HE TEACHES ECONOMICS AT THE COLLEGE OF ST.

BEN'S AND ST.

JOHN'S UNIVERSITY.

WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Eric: MORE MINNESOTANS ARE FILING FOR BANKRUPTCY THAN THE U.S.

AVERAGE.

AND IS THAT A KIND OF A RED FLAG FOR A RECESSION OR NO?

>> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT A RED FLAG.

IT'S CERTAINLY YELLOW.

IT'S CERTAINLY A YELLOW ALERT, BECAUSE IT'S SHOWING THAT PEOPLE'S INCOMES ARE NOT GROWING AS FAST AS WHAT THEY NEED TO SPEND ON GOODS AND SERVICES, SO THEY'RE HAVING TO BORROW THE DIFFERENCE AND PART OF THAT OF THAT IS TRIGGERING BANKRUPTCY.- >> TRIGGERING BANKRUPTCY.- >> CRIGGERING BANKRUPTCY.- >> CatGGERING BANKRUPTCY.- >> CathyERING BANKRUPTCY.- >> Cathy: ING BANKRUPTCY.- >> Cathy: ANG BANKRUPTCY.- >> Cathy: ANOTBANKRUPTCY.- >> Cathy: ANOTHENKRUPTCY.- >> Cathy: ANOTHER RUPTCY.- >> Cathy: ANOTHER --PTCY.- >> Cathy: ANOTHER -- ICY.- >> Cathy: ANOTHER -- IS .- >> Cathy: ANOTHER -- IS IT A YELLOW RIGHT OR A RED LIGHT, THE FACT THAT, FIRST, THERE'S NO JOB NUMBERS, BUT THERE ARE THESE REPORTS OF MASSIVE LAYOFFS ACROSS THE CORPORATE WORLD.

>> THAT'S MAYBE ORANGE, YELLOW TO RED, I DON'T KNOW, SOMEWHERE IN THERE.

BUT THE JOBS REPORT IS TERRIBLE TO NOT HAVE THAT.

77 YEARS WE'VE HAD A MONTHLY JOBS REPORT AND OW WE'VE MISSED TWO MONTHS.

WE'RE USED TO BEING ABLE TO NAVIGATE THE ECONOMY WITH THAT MONTHLY JOBS REPORT AS A BASIS FOR LOTS OF OTHER THINGS.

WE DON'T HAVE IT.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE MONTHLY INFLATION NUMBER EITHER.

WE GOT IT LAST MONTH BECAUSE THEY HAD TO DO IT IN ORDER TO DO SOCIAL SECURITY.

FOR THE NEXT YEAR.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET IT THIS MONTH.

WE'RE NOT GETTING G.D.P.

WE BASICALLY GOT THIS FOGGED UP WINDOW WE'RE TRYING TO DRIVE THE CAR THROUGH.

>> Eric: UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN HAS THE CONSUMER CONFIDENCE STUDY.

IT'S, LIKE, AT AN ALL-TIME LOW, 30% WORSE THAN LAST YEAR AT THIS TIME.

WHAT DOES THAT TELL US?

>> I THINK IT TELLS US THAT HOUSEHOLDS ARE REALLY UNCERTAIN.

THEY'RE LIKE, WHAT IS GOING?

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING?

THE CORPORATE LAYOFFS, ARE WE GOING TO LOSE OUR JOBS?

ARE WE GOING TO SEE WAGE CUTS?

WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THE REST OF THE ECONOMY?

WE JUST DON'T KNOW.

>> Cathy: GOING BACK TO THE JOB CUTS, ARE WE SHEDDING JOBS FASTER THAN WE REALLY THINK WE ARE?

>> WELL, WE DON'T KNOW.

THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM.

BUT MY HUNCH IS, I'M NOT SURE WE ARE.

BUT THIS WHOLE THING OF A.I.

THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT ART ABOUT AR ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENC, IT'S HOLLOWING OUT THIS WHOLE LAYER OF JOBS THAT'S KIND OF THE FIRST RUNG OF THE LADDER FOR COLLEGE GRADUATES.

SO PEOPLE WHO COME INTO, SAY, BEST BUY OR TARGET AS ANALYSTS, THEY DON'T NEED THAT JOB ANYMORE.

TARGET CAN TURN HAT INTO AN AUTOMATED POSITION.

AND THEN EITHER HAVE PEOPLE ABOVE THAT DOING THE WORK.

OR HIRE PEOPLE WITH MORE EDUCATION TO TAKE ON EVEN MORE OF THE WORK.

>> Eric: HOW MUCH REALLY CAN GOVERNMENT AFFECT THE COMMITTEE?

>> WELL, ONLY AT THE MARGINS.

SO IT CAN'T AFFECT, YOU KNOW, IN A TRUE SENSE, YOU REALLY CAN'T AFFECT THE LONG-TERM TREND OF IT.

IT AN AFFECT THE UPS AND DOWNS SOME.

BUT THE LONG-TERM TREND IS DETERMINED BY THINGS LIKE TECHNOLOGY, BY HOW MUCH PEOPLE ARE SPENDING ON CAPITAL GOODS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BY THE EDUCATION OF THE POPULATION.

THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY DRIVING IT.

>> Cathy: BUT CERTAIN POLICIES CAN DAMAGE AN ECONOMY.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, PUTTING 15% TO 50% TARIFFS ON TRADE WITH PARTNERS THAT ARE PROVIDING GOODS AND SERVICES MUCH MORE CHIEFLY THAN WE CAN DO IT -- >> Eric: SO IN A CONSUMER-BASED ECONOMY, PEOPLE ARE HOPING FOR A ROBUST HOLIDAY SEASON I SUPPOSE.

>> I CAN'T SEE THAT IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

RIGHT NOW WITH THE INCOME TRENDS AND THE JOB LOSSES, AND THE TARIFFS RAISING THE PRICES, I CAN'T SEE HOW THE HOLIDAY IS GOING TO BE VERY HAPPY, AT LEAST IF YOU'RE A RETAILER.

HERE, HAVE YOUR CHRISTMAS POLL.

>> Eric: THANKS, PROFESSOR.

♪ >> ♪ THE LEGEND LIVES ON FROM THE CHIPPEWA ON DOWN ♪ ♪ OF THE BIG LAKE THEY CALLED GITCHE GUMEE ♪ ♪ THE LAKE, IT IS SAID, NEVER GIVES UP HER DEAD ♪ ♪ WHEN THE SKIES OF NOVEMBER TURN GLOOMY ♪ >> Cathy: I STILL LOVE THAT SONG.

OF COURSE THAT IS "THE WRECK OF THE EDMUND FITZGERALD," A GORDON LIGHTFOOT BALLAD THAT CHRONICLES THE TRAGIC SINKING OF THE FITZGERALD 50 YEARS AGO MONDAY.

IT'S ALWAYS BEEN CLOSELY TIED TO MINNESOTA.

THE FREIGHTER LEFT SUPERIOR, WISCONSIN, LOADED UP WITH ORE AND HEADED EAST ON LAKE SUPERIOR ON THE AFTERNOON OF NOVEMBER 9TH, 1975.

IT TRAVELED THROUGH A FIERCE STORM AND WAS NEARING SAULT ST.

MARIE WHEN IT SANK IN CANADIAN WATERS NORTH OF MICHIGAN'S WHITEFISH POINT.

ALL 29 CREW MEMBERS DIED.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK WITH PAUL DOUGLAS ABOUT THE GALES OF NOVEMBER THAT HIT EARLY THAT FALL.

WHEN PAUL ISN'T ON OUR AIRWAVES, YOU CAN CATCH HIS PREDICTIONS IN THE "STAR TRIBUNE."

IN HIS SPARE TIME, HE RUNS HIS OWN WEATHER COMPANY, PRAEDICTIX.

THE SINKING OF THE FITZGERALD OF COURSE IS A MYSTERY THAT HAS YET TO BE SOLVED, AND PROBABLY NEVER WILL, I GUESS, BUT THAT STORM, THOSE WHO ACTUALLY SAW IT ON THE LAKE AND WHO LIVED THROUGH IT SAID IT WAS AMAZING.

>> YEAH, IT WAS A HUMBLING VENT.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY FOR SAILORS, THE FAMILIES, THE SHOCKAWAY, IN THE SUPERIOR-DULUTH AREA, AFTER NEWS GOT OUT.

AND, YEAH, THE WEATHER SERVICE AT THE TIME UNDERESTIMATED THE FEROCITY OF THE STORM.

THE EDMUND FITZGERALD, THE MOST NOTABLE SINKING OF A VESSEL.

IT WAS THE BIGGEST THING ON THE GREAT LAKES AT THAT TIME BACK IN .

75.

BUT AN ESTIMATED 6,000 TO 10,000 SHIPWRECKS HAVE TAKEN PLACE ON THE GREAT LAKES SINCE THE 1700S.

AND BECAUSE OF THIS, PRESIDENT ULYSSES GRANT BACK IN 1870, STARTED THE ARMY SIGNAL SERVICE, WHICH BASICALLY WAS COLLECTING REAL-TIME DATA TO PROVIDE TO MARINERS TO TRY TO CUT DOWN ON THE SHIPWRECKS.

>> Eric: WHAT WERE THE ELEMENTS OF THIS STORM THAT NIGHT?

>> WELL, AGAIN, WE HAD A VERY POWERFUL BOMB PSYCH LONE.

POWERFUL BOMB PSYCH LO CYCLONE.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP, ON THE GRAPHICS, WE DO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT STORM SYSTEM THAT PROBABLY WAS NUSUAL AT THAT TIME.

BUT THEY UNDERESTIMATED THE STRENGTH.

IT WAS A VERY INTENSE STORM.

ALMOST LIKE A LAND HURRICANE.

OBVIOUSLY NOT A HURRICANE.

THE SHIP LEFT AT 2:00 FROM SUPERIOR.

7:00, GALE WARNINGS WERE ISSUED.

AFTER IT HAD ALREADY SET SAIL.

THE NEW DAY, IT WAS UPGRADED TO A STORM WARNING.

AND, AGAIN, WHO KNOWS?

IT'S EASY TO SECOND-GUESS.

BUT THEY WERE HEADING RIGHT INTO THE WORST OF THE STORM.

N.O.A.A.

HAS DONE A REANALYSIS OF THE STORM SUGGESTING THAT THE WAVES WERE 10 METERS.

30 FEET.

>> Cathy: WHICH IS ABOUT THE --G ABOUT THIS.

IT'S ABOUT AS HIGH AS THE CEILING IS IN THIS STUDIO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THAT.

>> YEAH.

IT'S -- AGAIN, UNLESS YOU'RE ON AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER OR A U.S.

DESTROYER, IT'S ALMOST UNSURVIVABLE.

AND SO IT WENT DOWN IN 530 FEET OF WATER.

NO TIME TO DEPLOY THE LIFE RAFTS.

ALL 29 SAILORS LOST THEIR LIVES.

SINCE THEN, YOU KNOW, THE CRASH SITE, WHAT'S LEFT OF THE SHIP, BROKE INTO TWO PIECES, STILL COMPETING THEORIES EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.

WE DON'T KNOW.

IT JUST HAPPENED QUICKLY.

>> Eric: WAS HIS ONE OF THESE 100-YEAR TYPE GALES?

>> YES.

YES.

AND FORECASTS HAVE IMPROVED AND EVOLVED SIGNIFICANTLY SINCE THEN.

WE HAVE MORE WEATHER MODELS, MORE HORSEPOWER, MORE DATA.

I'D LIKE TO ELIEVE SOMETHING SIMILAR COULDN'T HAPPEN TODAY.

BUT THIS WAS 1975.

>> Cathy: RIGHT.

>> AND I THINK EVERY TIME I HEAR THAT TUNE FROM GORDON LIGHTFOOT, I'VE HEARD IT HUNDREDS OF TIMES, I STILL GET CHILLS.

>> Cathy: SAY, LET'S QUICKLY TALK ABOUT FALL?

CAN WE DO THAT?

REALLY WARM.

WHAT THE HECK?

>> T WAS ANOTHER SUPERSIZEDSIZED SUMMER.

ALL THAT SUMMER WARMTH SPILLED OVER INTO SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER.

THE FOURTH WARMEST ON RECORD SINCE 1873 FOR THE TWIN CITIES AND MOST OF MINNESOTA.

AND YEAH, ASK A FARMER.

GROWING SEASON IS GETTING LONGER.

IT WAS THE FOURTH LONGEST GROWING SEASON.

THE ALL-TIME RECORD WAS BACK IN 2016.

219 DAYS.

WE HAD 199 DAYS BETWEEN THE LAST FROST OF SPRING AND THE FIRST FROST OF WINTER.

AND THE LONG-TERM AVERAGE IS CLOSER TO 167.

ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WE'RE TRACKING, WE NEED SOME STORMS.

HOPEFULLY NOT A BOMB CYCLONE BUT 22% OF THE STATE IN MODERATE DROUGHT, SEVERE DROUGHT.

AND YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO GET SMACKED, SUNDAY, MAYBE A COATING OF SNOW.

WE WILL SURVIVE.

THE WINDCHILLS DOWN AROUND 10.

SUNDAY AND MONDAY MORNING.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE BACK UP INTO THE 40s AND 50s.

AND THE LONGER RANGE GUIDANCE LOOKING OUT, REALLY INTO THANKSGIVING, SHOWS A WARM BIAS OVER THE CENTRAL U.S.

I DON'T THINK WE'VE SEEN THE LAST 50s.

HOPEFULLY, WE WILL SEE A WETTER PATTERN.

PEOPLE KEEP ASKING ME ABOUT THE WINTER.

MY GUT?

WHICH DOESN'T COUNT FOR MUCH.

I THINK IT IS GOING TO BE SNOWIER THAN THE LAST TWO WINTERS.

29 INCHES THE LAST TWO WINTERS.

>> Cathy: REALLY WIMPY.

>> I THINK IT'LL BE COLDER.

I'M NOT CONVINCED IT'S GOING TO BE A POLAR VORTEX WINTER.

BY THE WAY, MARK SEELEY HAS A FREE LECTURE WEDNESDAY, NOON, AT ST.

PAUL AT THE LANDMARK CENTER.

>> Cathy: ABOUT THE CLIMATOLOGY AND THE WEATHER THAT HAPPENED THE DAY OF THE FITZGERALD.

>> HE DOES AN AMAZING JOB WITH THIS.

>> Cathy: SO DO YOU, THOUGH.

SEE YOU LATER.

>> THANK YOU.

♪ >> Dana: MY PARENTS MOVED TO MINNESOTA IN 1973.

AND BACK THEN, ALMOST UNBELIEFABLELY, YOU COULD BUY A FARM HOUSE ON 18.5 ACRES OF LAND FOR JUST $38,000.

MY BROTHER AND I GREW UP IN ONE OF THESE VERY FARM HOUSES.

AND OVER THE YEARS, MY DAD, A WILDLIFE MANAGER WHO LOVES THE OUTDOORS, HE PURCHASED A HANDFUL OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.

TODAY, MY BROTHER AND I HAVE CHILDREN OF OUR OWN, BUT WE STILL LIVE NEARBY AND AS A RESULT, MY FAMILY HAS THIS PIECE OF LAND, ABOUT 85 ACRES, THAT'S A BIG PART OF OUR COLLECTIVE IDENTITY.

THREE GENERATIONS AND COUNTING.

THE DETAIL THAT MAKES OUR STORY SOMEWHAT UNIQUE IS THE LAND IS ONLY ONE MILE FROM LAKE MINNETONKA.

IT'S A LAKE THAT, IF YOU'RE NOT FROM MINNETONKA, IS INFAMOUS FOR ITS OVERSIZED HOMES AND EVEN MORE OVERSIZED BOATS.

IN SHORT, THE DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE IS INTENSE.

AND OVER THE COURSE OF MY LIFETIME, MANY OF THE OPEN SPACES IN THE AREA HAVE GONE FROM THIS ... TO THIS -- NOW, I DO UNDERSTAND WHY THIS HAPPENS.

BUT FOR MY FAMILY, WITH ITS ONGOING CONNECTION TO THIS PARTICULAR PLACE, THIS WAS NOT THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

AND THAT'S WHY I'M MAKING A VIDEO, NOT SO MUCH FOR THE PUBLIC, BUT FOR MY CHILDREN.

BECAUSE I'M HOPING THAT SOMEDAY, THEY'LL WANT O UNDERSTAND WHY WE MADE THE CHOICE WE MADE.

AND HERE IT IS.

AFTER A LOT OF RESEARCH, AND A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ON MY PARENTS' SCREENED PORCH, WE DECIDED TO PROTECT OUR PROPERTY WITH A CONSERVATION EASEMENT.

OR MORE SPECIFICALLY, WE FOUND A PROGRAM FUNDED BY THE STATE AND MANAGED BY THE MINNESOTA LAND TRUST IN PARTNERSHIP WITH HENNEPIN COUNTY, THAT OFFERS CASH PAYMENTS IN EXCHANGE FOR DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS.

THE GOAL OF THE PROGRAM IS TO PROTECT AND RESTORE OPEN SPACES, AND FOR US, SUPPORTING WILDLIFE AND ENHANCING HABITAT WAS THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

IT ALSO HELPED THAT WE DIDN'T NEED TO SELL THE LAND COMPLETELY.

WE STILL OWN THE PROPERTY, JUST AS WE DID BEFORE, WE ONLY SURRENDERED OUR ABILITY TO FARM OR DEVELOP IT.

AND THESE RESTRICTIONS WILL STAY WITH THE LAND EVEN IF WE DO SELL IT.

AS THE LAND TRUST PUTS IT, OUR PROPERTY IS NOW PROTECTED FOREVER.

SO?

WHY DID WE DO IT?

WELL, IT WASN'T BECAUSE WE THOUGHT OUR INDIVIDUAL ACTIONS WOULD SAVE THE PLANET.

BUT IT DID ALLOW US TO EXPRESS OUR VALUES IN A TANGIBLE WAY, AND MAYBE, IF WE'RE UCKY, IT WILL GIVE OUR PART OF THE WORLD A SLIGHT NUDGE IN A DIRECTION WE FIND MORE SENSIBLE.

YOU SEE, MY CHILDREN, THIS LAND WILL NOT BE OURS FOREVER.

BUT WE DID, IN OUR TIME, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO KEEP IT NATURAL.

FOR EVERYONE.

♪ ♪ >> ERIC: CHEF SEAN SHERMAN AND HIS RESTAURANT OWAMNI HAVE HELPED PUT THE TWIN CITIES ON THE CULINARY MAP IN RECENT YEARS, AND NOW HE'S LOOKING TO PUT OWAMNI IN A DIFFERENT PLACE ON THE MAP OF THE TWIN CITIES.

OWAMNI IS MOVING INTO THE RESTAURANT SPACE IN THE HISTORIC GUTHRIE THEATER IN MINNEAPOLIS, WITH AN EXPECTED OPENING DATE SOMETIME NEXT SPRING.

HE ALSO HAS A NEW BOOK OUT CALLED "TURTLE ISLAND: FOODS AND TRADITIONS OF THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLES OF NORTH AMERICA," WHICH IS AS MUCH AN ANTHROPOLOGICAL DEEP DIVE AS IT IS A COOKBOOK.

WE'RE SO HAPPY TO HAVE "THE SIOUX CHEF" HERE IN STUDIO "B" TONIGHT.

ARE YOU TRYING TO SETTLE FEW SCORES IN THIS THING?

>> AS FAR AS WHAT?

>> Eric: QUELL, I MEAN, YOU'VE HAD SOME CRITICS.

>> FOR SURE.

>> Eric: AND I ONDER, IF YOU'RE KIND OF SAYING, HEY, LOOK AT ME NOW?

>> WE JUST KEEP PUTTING FORWARD EVERYTHING.

I FEEL LIKE I KEEP PLANTING SEEDS AND THEY KEEP POPPING UP.

>> Eric: WHAT'S THE MISSION STATEMENT OF THE BOOK?

>> REALLY, IT'S JUST TO BRING AWARENESS TO ALL OF THE INDIGENOUS DIVERSITY OF NORTH AMERICA.

WE'RE ERASING COLONIAL LINES AND I THINK IT'S REALLY RELEVANT ESPECIALLY TODAY WHEN PEOPLE FROM MEXICO ARE BEING DEHUMANIZES AND IT'S CRAZY JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE SPEAKING SPANISH, BUT ENGLISH IS ALSO FOREIGN LANGUAGE ON NORTH AMERICA.

AND SO WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT ALL OF THE INDIGENOUS BACKBONE F WHAT IS AMERICAN CULINARY CULTURE AND DIVERSITY.

>> Cathy: WHEN YOU DID THE RESEARCH AND YOU LOOKED AT ALL THESE CULTURES, TELL ME ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES YOU FOUND BETWEEN YOUR LAKOTA CULTURE IN TERMS OF CUISINE AND WHAT YOU FOUND ELSEWHERE.

>> SO MUCH.

SO THE DIVERSITY IS MASSIVE.

YOU KNOW, BECAUSE ALASKA ALL THE WAY THROUGH MEXICO, THERE'S SO MUCH DIVERSITY.

THERE'S AGRICULTURE, SUCH A LARGE SPACE OF AREA, EVEN INCLUDING WHERE WE ARE.

BUT THERE'S THIS VAST KNOWLEDGE OF WILD PLANTS AND WILD ANIMALS.

SO THERE'S EVERYTHING FROM SEAL AND BEAR AND MOOSE AND ALL SORTS OF THINGS IN THIS BOOK AND SO MUCH PLANT DIVERSITY.

>> Cathy: WHAT DID YOU THINK ABOUT -- WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE PLANT DIVERSITY, WHAT DID YOU FIND THAT REALLY INTRIGUED YOU?

>> I MEAN, EVERYTHING IS REALLY COOL AND LIKE, WE HAD TO GROW SOME OF THESE PIECES BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO -- ESPECIALLY FOR THE PHOTO SHOOTS JUST TO HAVE THEM IN TIME FOR WHEN WE WERE GOING TO BE DOING THIS.

BUT THERE'S SO MUCH ECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY WILD FOODS OF MIX CO, APRIL.

CAN.

ALASKA, WHERE WE ARE.

>> Eric: THERE'S A DOZEN OR SO REGIONS IN NORTH AMERICA THAT YOU TAKE.

>> WE DID 13 REGIONS, BECAUSE ON THE BACK OF A TURTLE SHELL, THERE'S 13 -- IT'S ALSO MOON CALENDARS, THERE'S 13 MOONS.

>> Eric: MINNESOTA IN THE GREAT LAKES REGION.

AND I SUPPOSE, WHAT, WILD RICE IS OUR SIGNATURE?

>> YEAH, WE GOT MAPLE, VENISON, MOOSE, ALL THESE THINGS.

WE'VE HAD CORN CULTURE HERE FOR COUNTLESS GENERATIONS HERE TOO.

SO CORN AND BEANS AND SCWAWR.

AND SO THERE'S SO MUCH TO TALK ABOUT AND ALL THE WILD FOODS AROUND US AND IF YOU COME TO OWAMNI, YOU'LL FIND THOSE WILD FLAVORS IN THE RESTAURANT.

>> Cathy: SO I'M NOT A GREAT COOK.

AM I ABLE TO MAKE ANY OF THE RECIPES?

>> ABSOLUTELY, THEY'RE VERY SIMPLE.

A WILD RICE PORRIDGE, AND SOME OF THEM MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGING OF TRYING TO FIND A SEAL FOR A SEAL TAR TAR.

>> Eric: YOU'RE HEADED TO THE GUTHRIE WHERE BEFORE EVERY PERFORMANCE, THEY DO A LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT STATEMENT ABOUT LAND TAKEN FROM THE NATIVE AMERICANS.

DID THAT COME INTO PLAY HERE?

>> NOT REALLY.

WE JUST HAD A REALLY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM.

WE WEREN'T LOOKING TO MOVE BECAUSE OUR SPACE IS BEAUTIFUL.

BUT THIS OPENS UP MORE SPACES FOR US BECAUSE IT DOUBLES THE SIZE OF OUR RESTAURANT AND WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN SOLD UTILITY EVERY NIGHT.

AND THIS IS JUST GOING TO ENABLE US TO FEED FOR ENABLE US TO FEED FO MORE PEOPL.

>> Cathy: YES, THE WAIT LIST IS LONG, WHICH IS GOOD FOR YOU, YOU ARE STILL ON THE RIVER WHICH IS SUPER IMPORTANT.

AND SO FOR FOLKS NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THAT AREA MEANS TO NATIVE CULTURE, CAN YOU EXPLAIN?

>> YEAH, SO THE RESTAURANT IS NAMED FOR WHERE IT'S AT BECAUSE THE WATERFALL WHICH WAS COOPTED ST.

ANTHONY FALLS WHEN IT WAS DISCOVERED, BUT INDIGENOUS EOPLE WERE LIVING THERE FOREVER.

IT MEANS PLACE OF FALLING AND SWIRLING WATER.

AND HE TOOK THE SHORT NAME.

SO WE TOOK BACK THE NAME SPACE OF WHERE IT HAPPENS TO BE IN FRONT OF WHAT USED TO BE THAT WATERFALL.

>> Eric: A PRACTICAL QUESTION.

YOU GOT THEATER GOERS THAT KIND OF WANT TO GRAB AND GO OR HIT AND RUN.

DOES THAT CHANGE THE DYNAMICS OF HOW YOU SERVE PEOPLE?

>> WE HAVE A WHOLE PLAN FOR THAT.

SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME BAR FOODS THAT ARE JUST READY TO GO REALLY FAST, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A FIXED PRICE MENU WHERE IT CAN MOVE EALLY QUICKLY TOO SO PEOPLE CAN SIT DOWN AND HAVE A DINNER BEFORE THE SHOW.

AND WE'LL HAVE OUR TYPICAL MENU, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE OFFERINGS BECAUSE IT'S JUST A BIGGER KITCHEN, A BIG REMEMBER REMEBIGGER RESTAURANTS.

AND YOU CAN WATCH THE CHEFS WORK.

WE'RE GOING TO TWEAK IT A LITTLE BIT AND INDIGENIZE IT A LITTLE BIT.

>> Cathy: NOW, WHAT'S THE ESSENTIAL DISH THAT A FIRST TIME DINER SHOULD GET?

>> WELL, THE ONE DISH THAT'S BEEN ON THERE FROM DAY ONE HAS ABOUT THE SWEET POTATOES WITH THE MAPLE CHILI OIL.

WE CHANGE THE MENUS EVERY SEASON, AROUND THE SOLSTICES, AND EQUINOXES.

BUT WE'RE GETTING READY TO LAUNCH THE LAST MENU OF THAT LOCATION HERE.

>> Eric: CAN WE PLUG AN EVENT FOR YOU?

>> YES, SO WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING A MASSIVE BOOK LAUNCH SHOW AT THE GUTHRIE ON NOVEMBER 18TH.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MUSIC, MY FRIEND JANICE FROM RESERVATION DOGS, FRANCEATION LAMB WHO'S THE EDITOR ON THIS BOOK AND ALSO THE HEALTH OF SPLENDID TABLE AND THE WHOLE TEAM.

TRISH COOK HO'S A LOCAL COMEDIAN AND A WONDERFUL PERSON.

WE'RE GOING TO DO SOME LIVE MUSIC.

I'M GOING TO HAVE A GUITAR IN MY HAND.

AND WE'LL HAVE A V.I.P.

EVENT BEFORE THAT.

OWAMNI'S GOING TO BE HOSTING THE FOOD AND WE'LL HAVE A MEET AND GREET WITH EVERYBODY THAT'S THERE.

>> Eric: TURTLE ISLAND, PERFECT FOR HOLIDAY GIFT GIVING.

>> GOOD LUCK.

♪ >> CATHY: AS WE HAVE NOTED SEVERAL TIMES TONIGHT, THIS WEEK'S ELECTION WAS HISTORIC HERE IN MINNESOTA AND AROUND THE NATION.

THIS WEEK'S VERSION OF THE POLITICAL PANEL HAS ABOUT THE NEXT TEN MINUTES TO ANALYZE IT ALL.

DEMOCRATS UP FIRST TONIGHT.

JEFF HAYDEN IS A FORMER SENATE DEPUTY MAJORITY LEADER, NOW A LEGISLATIVE LOBBYIST.

SARA LOPEZ IS A PARTY ACTIVIST AND POLICY DIRECTOR AT UNIDOS MINNESOTA.

REPUBLICANS HERE: FRITZ KNAAK IS A FORMER STATE SENATOR, NOW A LAWYER IN PRIVATE PRACTICE.

BRIAN MCCLUNG IS A FORMER GOVERNOR PAWLENTY SPOKESPERSON AND LONGTIME CAPITOL OBSERVER.

WELL, SENATOR HAYDEN, WHAT DID YOU THINK OF THE RESULTS?

>> I WAS, LIKE, UM, MINNEAPOLIS KIND OF WENT ALONG WITH WHERE IT WAS TRENDING, AND SO THERE WASN'T TOO MANY SURPRISES THERE.

THE MAYOR -- IT WAS JUST WEIRD JUST WAITING FOR THE SECOND AND THIRD BALLOTS TO SEE IF THAT PROCESS IS WHERE THE FOLKS HAD COALESCED AS A SLATE.

ST.

PAUL WAS LIKE WOW.

I KNEW IT WAS GETTING TIGHTER.

BUT I STILL THOUGHT THAT MAYOR CARTER WOULD GET THROUGH.

SO I SAW YOU HAD REPRESENTATIVE HER WHO I KNOW VERY WELL AND SHE PUT ON A HECK OF A CAMPAIGN, I THINK THE SHORT CAMPAIGN ACTUALLY HELPED HER, BECAUSE IT LOOKED LIKE SHE WAS READY TO GO AND HAD A BUNCH OF FOLKS THERE AND CAUGHT MAYOR CARTER BY SURPRISE.

>> Cathy: DID YOU SEE THAT, BRIAN?

>> CLEARLY, THE BIGGEST NEWS ON ELECTION NIGHT WAS REPRESENTATIVE HER'S WIN IN ST.

PAUL.

AND A LOOT AND A LO LOT OF US, THE WEEK BEFORE, I WAS WITH A LOT OF ST.

PAUL INSIDERS AND THEY WERE TELLING ME, YOU KNOW, IT'S REAL CLOSE AND DON'T BE SURPRISED IF REPRESENTATIVE HER WINS AND THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME I'D HEARD THAT.

I THINK SENATOR HAYDEN IS RIGHT.

SHE HAD THAT MOMENTUM.

REALLY ONLY A THREE-MONTH CAMPAIGN BUT SHOWED HOW ENERGETIC HE WAS AND IT'S NOT A BIG POLICY CHANGE, RIGHT?

ON A POLICY PERSPECTIVE, SHE'S NOT ALL THAT DIFFERENT FROM MAYOR CARTER, BUT I THINK SHE BROUGHT A FRESH VOICE AND A FRESH ATTITUDE AND WE'RE IN ST.

PAUL, WE'RE AROUND ST.

PAUL.

ST.

PAUL HAS BEEN STRUGGLING.

THERE ARE CERTAINLY HARD TIMES IN PARTS OF ST.

PAUL.

AND I THINK PEOPLE JUST FELT LIKE IT NEEDS KIND OF A NEW ENERGY.

>> Cathy: WHAT DO YOU THINK HER NEW LEADERSHIP WILL FEEL LIKE?

>> I THINK PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR BOLD NEW LEADERSHIP.

THAT'S RESPONDING TO THE MOMENT.

I THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE REALLY LOOKING INTO CREATIVE WAYS TO THINK ABOUT SPACES LIKE DOWNTOWN, RIGHT?

THAT NEED A LOT OF ECONOMIC INVESTMENT.

I ALSO THINK THAT COMMUNITIES, ESPECIALLY THE MOST VULNERABLE ARE HURTING, AND PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO JUST PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO LEAD FORWARD, BE BOLD, AND PROTECT AND REALLY LOVE THE CITY.

PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR THAT COMMITMENT.

TO THEIR CITIES RIGHT NOW.

AND I'M REALLY EXCITED.

>> Eric: SENATOR, MAYOR FREY WINS A THIRD TERM.

WHERE DOES THIS LEAVE KIND OF THE SOCIALISTS VERSUS THE LIBERALS?

IN A ONE-PARTY TOWN LIKE MINNEAPOLIS, AND LOOKING AHEAD TO THE 2026 ELECTION WHEN EVERY MINNEAPOLIS VOTE'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT FOR STATEWIDE CANDIDATES?

>> YEAH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.

IT'S KIND OF LATTE VERSUS MOCHA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I MEAN, THEY'RE BOTH PRETTY FAR TO THE LEFT.

WHAT I'M HOPING IS THAT THEY CAN START TO WORK TOGETHER.

THEY'RE ABOUT 6-6, WITH COUNCIL MEMBER OZ MAN SAYING EMPS LOOK AT EVERY ISSUE AND HE WANTS TO BE SWING VOTE.

NOT ONLY IS THAT GOING TO BE GOOD FOR THE CITY BUT FOR THE REPAIR -- >> IT WAS VERY PROMISING WHEN JACOB SAID THAT HE WAS WILLING TO PUT IDEOLOGY ASIDE AND LOVE FOR THE CITY FIRST.

SO I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE OPENING AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK TOGETHER.

>> MINNEAPOLIS IS SORT OF FLYOVER LAND IF YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN.

IT'S THE SOCIALISTS VERSUS THE DEMOCRATS.

YEAH AND THE DIFFERENCE IS?

AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE REST OF THE STATE, THOUGH.

I THINK BOTHERSOME TO ME ABOUT THIS, IT'S THAT ULTIMATELY, THE SUCCESS OF MINNEAPOLIS AS A DOWNTOWN DOESN'T MATTER TO THE REST OF THE STATE.

AND IT WOULD BE NICE IF THEY COULD SORT THINGS OUT.

IT'D BE A LOT NICER IF THEY ELECTED A REPUBLICAN LIKE THEY USED TO AND THINGS RAN WELL.

>> WHEN WAS THAT?

[ Laughter ] >> I DO THINK, THOUGH, THAT'S THE ONGOING CONCERN THAT I HAVE THERE.

OTHERWISE, IT'S JUST, LIKE I SAID, FLYOVER LAND AND WHO IN WHAT WARD IS DOING WHAT AT HOME REALLY DOESN'T MATTER TO ANYBODY WHEN YOU'RE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY.

>> Eric: LET ME DO SOME HISTORY AND NAME SOME NAMES AND YOU TELL ME WHY THEY ARE CONNECTED.

DAVE JENNINGS, PAUL THISSEN, MARGARET ANDERSON KELEHER, TRIED TO BE GOVERNOR.

>> NOW YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE, RIGHT?

>> NO, NO, NOTED ONE RIGHT?

>> A SPEAKER WHO'S RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR.

>> FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE SPEAKER DEMUTH IN THE GOVERNOR'S RACE.

I THINK YOU'VE SEEN HER GROWTH AS A KIND OF A PUBLIC FIGURE OVER THE LAST YEAR, IT HAS BEEN REALLY SOLID.

SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I THINK REPRESENTATIVE KRISTA ROBBINS, REPRESENTATIVE LISA DEMUTH, SPEAKER DEMUTH, ARE BOTH EXCEPTIONAL CANDIDATES AND TO HAVE TWO REALLY STRONG SOLID CANDIDATES RUNNING AS REPUBLICANS AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT IN A LITTLE WHILE, SO THIS IS A POSITIVE DEVELOPMENT.

>> Eric: SOME MORE HISTORY.

BACK IN THE DAY, DICK CHENEY KAOHLYS PAWLENTY, AND SAYS, YOU'RE RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR.

>> THANK THEM FOR THAT.

>> COULD REPRESENTATIVE ROBBINS GET A SIMILAR KAOHLY, YOU'RE RUNNING FOR SENATE?

>> I DON'T THINK DONALD TRUMP MAKES THOSE KIND OF KAOHLYS, RIGHT?

I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A TRUTH SOCIAL POST.

THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY THAT ACTS OUT NOW.

BUT I DON'T REALLY SEE DONALD TRUMP GETTING INVOLVED IN THAT WAY IN MINNESOTA POLITICS RIGHT NOW.

WE'LL SEE.

TO ME, I THINK MINNESOTA'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT DOWN THE LIST FOR THINGS THAT DONALD TRUMP IS WORRIED ABOUT.

YOU KNOW, HE'S UNPREDICTABLE.

>> IF HE THOUGHT THAT HE COULD INFLUENCE THE OUTCOME OF A OBTAINABLE SEAT, HE'D BE ALL OVER THIS.

AND THE REAL QUESTION I'VE GOT AND YOU'RE DANCING AROUND IT A LITTLE BIT IS WHETHER PAWLENTY IS GOING TO RUN OR NOT.

>> Cathy: I THINK HE ALREADY SAID NO.

AM I WRONG ABOUT THAT?

>> NO, YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THAT.

I ALWAYS GO BACK TO, GOVERNOR PAWLENTY WAS AT THE "STAR TRIBUNE" NORTH STAR SUMMIT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, AND WHAT HE SAID WAS, IF I SAW A PATH, I WOULD DO IT.

SO IF THAT WERE TO CHANGE SOMEHOW, RIGHT, I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION MARK THAT'S OUT THERE.

BUT AS IT EXISTS RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT -- >> LET ME INTERJECT HERE.

YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT IF DONALD TRUMP CALLED AND STARTED TO DICTATE IT, THAT'S THEIR ACHILLES HEEL, RIGHT?

IF THEY'RE RUNNING WITH THE PRESIDENT, THEY HAVE NO CHANCE.

IN OTHER WORDS, IT IS GOING TO BE REALLY HARD TO RUN WITH THE PRESIDENT AND THAT FAR TO THE RIGHT OR WHEREVER IN THE WORLD M.A.G.A.

IS AND THEN COME BACK AND TRY TO GENERATE ENOUGH VOTES TO WIN STATEWIDE.

>> Cathy: SPEAKER DEMUTH DID SAY THAT SHE WANTS TO HAVE TRUMP'S BACKING.

>> SURE, OF COURSE.

>> Cathy: SO MIGHT THAT BE POISON BY NEXT YEAR?

>> NO, I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD.

EVERY TIME IT SEEMS THAT THAT GETS PREDICTED, IT DOESN'T REALLY HAPPEN, I DON'T THINK.

AND I AGREE, WE'VE GOT A BLUE ZOMBIE PROBLEM INSIDE THE BELTWAY HERE.

>> MINNESOTANS ARE SOPHISTICATED VOTERS AND I THINK THAT -- I JUST DON'T KNOW.

FOR ME IT WOULD BE MORE OF A POISON PILL JUST BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF VOTER THAT WE HAVE IN THE TWIN CITIES AND IN THE STATE.

THE FIRST TIME TRUMP RAN, THE PRIMARY WAS WON BY MARCO RUBIO, SO THAT WAS QUITE TELLING.

>> YEAH, I MEAN, DONALD TRUMP HAS LOST THREE TIMES IN MINNESOTA BETWEEN ONE AND A HALF PERCENTAGE TO SEVEN PERCENTAGE POINTS, BUT THE GOVERNOR'S ELECTION IS GOING TO BE A REFERENDUM ON TIM WALZ.

THIS IS GOING TO BE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT TIM WALZ DESERVES A THIRD TERM.

SO I THINK THAT'S WHY ULTIMATELY TRUMP SUPPLEMENTER INFLUENCE IS NOT THE DECIDING FACTOR IN THAT GOVERNOR'S RACE.

>> I THINK THAT'S WISHFUL THINKING.

I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A REFERENDUM ON THE PRESIDENT AND I THINK YOU'RE SEEING IT RIGHT NOW.

YOU SAW IT IN NEW JERSEY, YOU JUST SAW IT IN VIRGINIA.

THAT WAS A REFERENDUM ON TRUMP.

I CAN'T EVEN NAME THE CANDIDATES THERE, BUT I KNOW THEY WERE VOTING AGAINST THE PRESIDENT.

[Overlapping conversations] IT WORKED.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT WORKED IN MINNEAPOLIS AND ST.

PAUL.

>> BUT I JUST WISH THAT IT WAS QUICKER IN MINNEAPOLIS.

I UNDERSTAND.

I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND, BUT LAST NIGHT, I WAS LIKE, OH, MY GOD, I WANT TO FIND OUT.

>> FOR POLITICAL JUNKIES, SOME OF US WHO ARE TV, COULD THEY JUST KEEP COUNTING?

[Overlapping conversations] THE RANKED CHOICE VOTING WAS SUPPOSED TO BE BRINGING CIVILITY TO ELECTIONS AND THEY'RE GOING TO ATTACK EACH OTHER LESS.

THAT'S NOT WHAT HAS HAPPENED.

>> MINNEAPOLIS, BUT IT DID WORK IN ST.

PAUL.

IT WAS VERY CIVIL IN ST.

PAUL.

>> OF COURSE IT WAS CIVIL IN ST.

PAUL.

[ Laughter ] >> AND BY THE WAY, I HINK IT SHOULD BE COMMENTED ON.

I MEAN, THIS WAS A HUGE EVENT, I THINK, FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT REPRESENTATIVE HER IS PART OF.

AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN OVER A PERIOD OF TIME TIME NOW, AND AT LEAST WITH RESPECT TO RAMSEY COUNTY, IS THAT HMONG COMMUNITY AND THE ASIAN COMMUNITY HAS STEPPED UP IN A WAY THAT THE IRISH COMMUNITY USED TO IN THIS GERMAN TOWN AND HAVE SHOWN A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNTED AMOUNAMOUNT OF POLITICAL SKILL D CHANGING THE FACE OF RAMSEY COUNTY.

BUT WERE THAT TRUE IN HENNEPIN COUNTY.

>> Cathy: TWO SPECIAL ELECTIONS WERE HELD AND THERE ARE GOING TO BE TWO MORE.

I MEAN, OW CHAOTIC IS THAT O HAVE SO MANY SPECIAL ELECTIONS?

>> WE NEED NEW LEADERSHIP.

>> WELL, I DON'T THINK IT'S HISTORICALLY OUT OF THE NORM.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAST ELECTION, I THINK IT'S GOING TO END UP BEING AROUND EIGHT SPECIAL ELECTIONS.

SO IF FEELS LIKE WE HAVE THIS ROLLING IMPACT WHEN THESE LAWMAKERS GET ELECTED TO ANOTHER OFFICE, BUT ULTIMATELY THESE TWO THAT ARE OPENED ARE HEAVILY BLUE SEATS -- >> Eric: WE GOT TO GO.

THANKS, PANEL.

>> FOR BOTH PARTIES TO BUILD LEADERSHIP, THAT'S WHY I'M SO EXCITED ABOUT -- >> Eric: WE GOT TO GO!

♪ ♪ >> Cathy: YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HIT THE GROUND RUNNING IF YOU BECOME GOVERNOR.

ARE YOU ASKING PEOPLE AT THIS TIME, HEY, DO YOU WANT -- >> WE'RE STARTING THAT PROCESS, OF COURSE A LOT OF PEOPLE RE INTERESTED IN THAT AS WELL.

BUT YES, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LESS THAN TWO MONTHS ALREADY UNTIL JANUARY 3RD, SO WE'RE GOING TO START TO MAKE THE PREPARATIONS NECESSARY AND MAY WELL BE THAT REPRESENTATIVE EMMER IS DOING THE SAME BUT WE HAVE TO BE READY TO TAKE OFFICE ON JANUARY 3RD AND WE HAVE TO HAVE COMMISSIONERS READY TO COME INTO AGENCY.

WE HAVE A LEGISLATIVE PROCESS WITH A HUGE CHALLENGE FOR ALL OF US TO BALANCE A PROJECTED $6 BILLION EFICIT, AND SO, YES, WE NEED TO BE READY TO GO ON JANUARY 3RD.

>> CATHY: MARK DAYTON WOULD BECOME MINNESOTA'S 40TH GOVERNOR AND SERVE TWO TERMS AFTER A DECEMBER RECOUNT UPHELD THE CLOSE MARGIN OF VICTORY.

IF YOU'RE KEEPING SCORE AT HOME, HIS OPPONENT IN THAT FIRST RACE WAS TOM EMMER, WHO IS NOW THE REPUBLICAN MAJORITY WHIP IN THE U.S.

HOUSE.

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LET'S TRAVEL BACK IN TIME.

IT IS JUNE OF 1978.

OUR MYSTERY MINNESOTAN IS TAPPED FOR HIS OR HER DREAM JOB.

THEY WILL GO ON TO ACCEPT AN OFFER IN THE SAME PROFESSION IN 1979 BUT NEVER RISE TO THE HIGH LEVEL OF FAME AS THE YOUNGER SIBLING WHO GREW UP IN THEIR SHADOW.

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WE HAVE JUST ENOUGH TIME LEFT FOR SOME SHOW-ENDING MUSIC.

TEN YEARS AGO THIS WEEK, OUR VERY OWN ERIC ESKOLA JOINED RICK SHEFCIK AND JOHNNY HAGEN TO PERFORM "COLDER BY THE LAKE," A SONG THEY WROTE 50 YEARS AGO IN DULUTH.

WHEN THEY WERE JUST KIDS.

THEY HADN'T PLAYED IT IN YEARS.

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