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GOOD TO ..

THANKS FOR JOINING US, AND NO SHORTAGE OF HOT TOPICS THIS COLD WEEK.

MEET THE PANELISTS STARTING WITH THE MEDIA VETERAN HERSELF, WE SAID I WIESE ALONG WITH MR. BILL MCCLELLAN FROM THE ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH.

ALSO FROM TH.. TODAY.COM, JOE HOLLEMAN, AND ALVIN READ JOINING US FROM THE ST. LOUIS AMERICAN.

OKAY.

ABOUT -- WELL, HE ACTUALLY IS THE MOST FAMOUS ST. LOUISIAN, NELLY.

HE SOLD MORE RECORDS.. RAP ARTISTS.

HE'S ON THE ST. LOUIS WALK OF FAME.

HE.. PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP'S INAUGURATION AT THE LIBERTY BALL.

BECAME A NATIONAL STORY FROM VARIETY TO FOX NEWS AND BEYOND.

SHOULD NELLY BE PERFORMING AT AN EVENT THAT HONORS DONALD TRUMP?

WHAT WAS YOUR OPINION?

>> I PROBABLY SHOULD RECUSE MYSELF BECAUSE HIS DAUGHTER AND OUR DAUGHTER PLAYED BASKETBALL TOGETHER.

THEY WERE ON THE SAM..

I NEVER MET HIM.

IT WAS BACK WHEN HE WAS TOURING.

HE HAS EVERY RIGHT TO DO WHATEVER HE WANTS.

I THINK THAT THAT ELECTION, IF YOU BELIEVE THE PUNDITS, WAS A REJECTION OF THE IDEA OF IDENTITY POLITICS.

EVERYBODY HAS TO THINK THE SAME, CUT ACROSS ALL KINDS OF LINES AND YOU ARE EXPECTED TO THINK THE SAME.

I THINK THAT HIS -- THE POINT THAT HE MADE OR THE POINT THAT HIS SPOKESPERSON MADE WAS THAT IT'S AN HONOR TO BE ASKED BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TO DO ANYTHING.

HE SAID MEMBERS OF THE MILITARY DO NOT HAVE -- THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE SERVING UNDER THIS PRESIDENT OR THAT PRESIDENT.

HE FELT VERY MUCH LIKE HE WAS CALLED TO SERVE HIS COUNTRY AND THAT THAT WAS WHY HE DID IT.

I THINK HE'S ENTITLED TO DO THAT.

>..

I'M TIRED OF PEOPLE IN TROUBLE RUNNING TO THE MILITARY, SUPPORT THE TROOPS, WHATEVER.

WHATEVER IT IS, THAT'S NOT SINCERE.

.. THAT'S AN ACTUAL DEAL.

NELLY, THE NIGHT THAT YOU ARE PERFORMING FOR THE PRESIDENT, EARLIER IN THE DAY, YOU STAND ON STAGE AND TALK ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF AFRICAN-AMERICAN EDUCATION.

HE'S GOTTEN ALL THE .. PROGRAMS, COULD CARE LESS ABOUT AFRICAN-AMERICAN EDUCATION.

HE'S BOUND AND DETERMINED IN HIS ADMINISTRATION TO BASICALLY GUT SOME OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS PROGRAMS THAT ACTUALLY ARE, YOU KNOW, RELATIVE DIED FOR AT ONE TIME.

YOUR SPOT.

YOU'VE GOT EVERY RIGHT TO BE THERE.

..

PERSONALLY.

I THIN..

IN HIM.

AS SOMEONE MENTIONED, I GUESS SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO DANCE IN THE MANSION SO THE REST OF US DON'T GET BEAT TONIGHT.

>> DON'T FORGET, NELLY WAS BORN ON AN AIR FORCE BASE.

HIS DAD WAS MILITARY, UNCLE WAS MILITARY.

>.. HEARD HIM SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE MILITARY.

>..

BUT I REMEMBER WHEN THE BEACH BOYS WERE PLAYING WITH RONALD REAGAN AND PEOPLE WERE UPSET ABOUT IT.

MUSIC BRIDGES TH.. >> I AGREE WITH YOU.

>> HE'S GOT THIS TALENT AND SHOULD BE SHARED.

>> THIS IS DIFFERENT.

THIS IS A TOTALLY DI.. SITUATION.

I DO..

THIS TOTALLY DIFFERENT SITUATION.

>>.. THEIR CHOICES.

>> HE SAID HE WASN'T NECESSARILY PERFORMING FOR THE PRESIDENT BUT HE WOULD HAVE PERFORMED FOR JOE BIDEN OR KAMALA HARRIS.

>> ELVIS PRESLEY WAS A BIG FAN OF RICHARD NIXON.

TO A LOT OF ELVIS PRESLEY PEOPLE, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CONTRADICTION.

>> WHAT ..

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

NELLY HAS A RIGHT TO PERFORM FOR WHOEVER HE CHOOSES TO PERFORM FOR, AND PEOPLE THEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO THINK OF NELLY WHATEVER THEY WANT TO THINK ABOUT HIM FOR HIS CHOICE.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> BIL.. YOU ABOUT DENNIS HANCOCK WHO'S A MEMBER OF THE ST. LOUIS COUNTY COUNCIL AND THE PREVIOUS PROSECUTING ATTORNEY FOR ST. LOUIS COUNTY ACTUALLY CHARGED HIM WITH VIOLATING THE STATE CONSTITUTION BECAUSE HE HIRED HIS DAUGHTER-IN-LAW, HOLLY.

>> STEPDAUGHTER?

STEPDAUGHTER.

CORRECT.

TH..

SO HE HIRES THIS RELATIVE ACCORDING TO THEN PROSECUTOR WESLEY BELL, IT'S AGAINST THE STATE CONSTITUTION.

BUT HAS NO HANCOCK SAYS I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE STATE CONSTITUTION THAT BARRED NEPOTISM.

BUT YOUR COLLEAGUE DUG UP E-MAILS FROM 7 YEARS AGO WHEN ONE DENNIS HANCOCK, THE FORMER MAYOR OF FENTON WAS COMPLAINING THAT A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN THERE HAD VOTED FOR HIS NIECE'S HUSBAND TO BE ON THAT CITY'S PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.

..

THIS WAS NEPOTISM AND HE HAD TO STEP DOWN.

IS I.. HANCOCK FORGOT THE STATE'S NEPOTISM LAW?

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S FORGOTTEN, BUT I KNOW WHAT TO SAY ABOUT ME.

WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, WHO READS THE STATE CONSTITUTION?

THAT WAS..

I DON'T THINK THIS IS A BIG DEAL.

I STOOD UP FOR DENNIS HANC.. AND I READ TONY'S COLUMN, AND I THOUGHT IF THIS GUY MADE A BIG DEAL ABOUT THE NEPOTISM LAW, HE KNEW.

WHETHER OR NOT WHETHER HANCOCK FORGOT, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT I WAS TOTALLY WRONG ON IT.

I SENT TONY AN E-MAIL RIGHT AFTER I READ HIS COMMENTS AND SAID I'M WRONG.

>> YOU WERE SO WONDERFUL ABOUT IT, BECAUSE ALVIN AND I WERE STANDING UP HERE ON MOUNT RIGHTEOUSNESS.

WE WERE SAYING HE WAS WRONG TO DO THIS, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

YOU STOOD THERE AND WEARING THE CAPE WITH THE SECOND CHANCE.

YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS IS PRO FAMILY.

THIS GUY IS TRYING TO BE A GOOD STEPDAD.

I ..

I'M LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE ON THE PANEL.

COLUMN, BECAUSE HE DID GO INTO SUCH DETAIL.

>> SOMETIMES MEN FORGET.

THEY FORGET ANNIVERSARIES.

THEY FORGET A LOT OF THINGS.

>> CHARLIE, HE WENT INTO SUCH GREAT DETAIL ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION.

>> 27 YE.. WELL, IF THIS CONSTITUTION IS SO SACRED, WHY DIDN'T JOE LOSE HIS JOB IN FENTON?

NOBODY TOOK ANY ACTION INCLUDING THE CIRCUIT ATTORNEY.

>> BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO LOOK INTO IT.

>> HOW ABOUT CUNNINGHAM WHOSE DAUGHTER WAS HIRED UNDER HER WATCH IN THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.

>> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DENNIS HANCOCK AND THE SITUATION THAT WAS.

QUITE FRANKLY, HE SA.. KNOW, AND HE KNEW.

WHICH MEANS OKAY, DUDE, YOU FIBBED.

YOU GO.. >> HERE IS WHERE WE GO.

THIS WAS ALWAYS MY CONTENTION FROM THE BEGINNING.

IT WAS NOT THAT SOMEONE WAS TRYING TO REMOVE DENNIS HANCOCK FROM OFFICE.

I NEVER SAID HE SHOULDN'T BE.

WHAT IT WAS WAS THEY WERE WANTING TO DO IT VERY QUICKLY FOR WHAT HE BELIEVED AND A LOT OF POLITICAL OBSERVERS BELIEVED WERE FOR PURELY POLITICAL PURPOSES AND HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH GOOD GOVERNMENT.

THEY WERE TRYING TO GET THEM..

VERY QUICKLY FOR POLITICAL REASONS.

..

WITHOUT GIVING HIM A HEARING IN COURT.

.. WANT TO THROW HIM OUT, HE GETS DUE PROCESS.

>> NOW THAT IT LOOKS LIKE HE KNEW ABOUT IT 7 YEARS AGO ANYWAY, DO YOU THINK THE CURRENT PROSECUTING ATTORNEY IS GOING TO TRY AND GET HIM OUT OF THERE, OR IS SHE GOING TO GET SOME DIVERSITY PROGRAM?

>> WAIT A MINUTE.

I THINK HANCOCK SHOULD RESIGN AND RUN AGAIN.

>> SHOULD CUNNINGHAM ALSO RESIGN?

>> IF THE COUNCIL CALLS AND .. HEY, LOOK, YOU HAVE GOT TO RESIGN OR WHATEVER, THEN WE WILL HAVE THAT ARGUMENT.

LIKE I SAID, YOU ARE SAYING LOOK AT THE LEFT HAND AND THE RIGHT HAND IS OVER HERE LYING.

>> I THINK WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS THE EQUAL APPLICATION OF THE LAW.

>> WHAT I'M SAYING IS LET HER GO DOWN AND SAY SHE DIDN'T KNOW OR I'VE NEVER READ THE CONSTITUTION, AND HER TO GET BUSTED ON SOMETHING.

>> WITH KIM GARDNER, WHEN THEY FILED IT AGAINST HER, SHE WAS GOING TO HAVE A DAY IN COURT.

THAT WAS ALL DENNIS HANCOCK SAID.

&g..

NOTHING TO SEE THAT I JUST DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT, AND I THINK THIS IS KIND OF ANOTHER E-MAIL REMINDER, BOYS AND GIRLS.

>> THEY MIGHT COME BACK.

>> THEY MIGHT COME BACK.

>> HATS OFF TO TONY MESSENGER FOR UNEARTHING THESE E-MAILS.

I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT A TOPIC THAT WE BROACH PRETTY OFTEN.

IT'S POLICE OFFICERS, PUBLIC SAFETY, CITY OF ST. LOUIS.

MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS THIS WEEK.

ONE WAS THE PLOIFERTION IN THE CITY WILL GET A RAISE.

THEY ARE GOING TO BE UP TO $56,000 A YEAR.

ALTHOUGH IN CLAYTON STARTING SALARY IS NOW $73,000 FOR A POLICE OFFICER IN LADUE SOCIAL SECURITY 74.

ST. ..

THE MAYOR ALSO ANNOUNCED THAT THOSE VACANT POSITIONS ARE GOING TO BE CUT, AND WE USED TO BE AT 1300, AND NOW WE ARE GOING TO BE DOWN TO 1100 POLICE OFFICERS IN THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS IF WE ACHIEVE FULL ENROLLMENT.

1995, IT WAS 1600.

BUT THE MAYOR WENT TO JEFF CITY, ALONG WITH THE CHIEF OF POLICE, AND SHE ARGUED THE CONTROL OF THAT POLICE DEPARTMENT SHOULD REMAIN WITH THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS AND NOT BE TAKEN OVER BY THE GOVERNOR AND THE STATE.

WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THIS CASE?

>> I DON'T THINK SHE IS SHE WILL BE SUCCESSFUL.

FOR ONE, I BELIEVE SHE NEEDED TO GIVE SOME RAISES.

THERE'S AN ELECTION COMING UP.

BY DENYING POLICE OFFICER RAISES WOULD BE JUST A HORRIBLE WAY TO LEAD INTO AN ELECTION.

I THINK REGARDLESS OF THEIR PLEAS, WHEN YOU HAVE THE GOVERNOR OF THE STATE AND THE MAJORITY OF ST. LOUIS AREA LEGISLATORS SAYING THE STATE NEEDS TO TAKE IT OVER AND THEN YOU HAVE THE POLICE ORGANIZATIONS ON TOP OF THAT SAYING THE STATE NEEDS TO TAKE THIS OVER, I DON'T THINK HOWEVER YOU WANT TO JUDGE WHAT SHE DID UP THERE, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE NEARLY ENOUGH.

>> YOU GET ELECTED, AND YOU SAY I'M GOING TO ADDRESS THE CRIME PROBLEM, WHICH SHE DID.

THEY WANT TO SAY I DON'T BELIEVE THE STATISTICS.

MURDER AND MURDER.

A DEAD PERSON IS A DEAD PERSON.

I THINK YOU COULD BELIEVE THAT ONE.

>.. BEFORE I THINK IT'S A TERRIBLE TIME AND THE STATE REALLY DIDN'T WANT CONTROL OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THEY.. LOUIS.

AND I TH..

NUMBER OF POLICE OFFICERS, I THOUGHT THE POLICE CHIEF, AS YOU TOLD THEM, WELL, THERE WILL BE MORE POLICE OFFICERS WHEN THE STATE TAKES CONTROL.

THERE'S NO BUSES OUT THERE LINED UP WITH PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BE BELIEVERS AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE.

YOU CAN PUT FORTH YOUR BEST ARGUMENT, BUT I AGREE WITH YOU.

I THINK BASICALLY WITH THE GOVERNOR AND A BUNCH OF LEGISLATORS THAT COULD CARELESS ABOUT ST. LOUIS AND CARE LESS THAT THE STATE RUNS KANSAS CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT AND CRIME IS REALLY OUT OF CONTROL OVER THERE.

.. THAT.

.. CRIME IS OUT OF CONTROL AS ST. LOUIS.

>>.. ST. LOUIS THAN ST. LOUIS.

>> THEY HAVE FEWER HOMICIDES, 147 THIS PAST YEAR, AND THEY HAVE 130,000 MORE PEOPLE.

THEY HAVE 530,000 PEOPLE.

>> OVERALL CRIME RATE IS HIGHER.

>> NOT HOMICIDES.

>> BUT YOU DON'T BELIEVE THE HOMICIDE STATISTIC IN ST. LOUIS, BUT YOU BELIEVE THE ONE IF KANSAS CITY.

>> IN ST. LOUIS, A COUPLE OF THINGS, FIRST OF ALL, THE POPULATION IN ST. LOUIS IS GOING DOWN.

YO.. ALSO, IF YOU GO FROM 1600 OFFICERS TO 800, THAT'S FEWER CRIME REPORTS WRITTEN.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT REPORTED CRIME, NOT CRIME THAT HAPPENS.

A LOT OF CRIMES DON'T EVEN GET A POLICE REPORT.

>>.. THING TO LOOK AT AS FAR AS CITIZENS ARE CONCERNED IS WHAT DO THE POLICE WANT?

SINCE THE POLICE ASSOCIATION IS VERY CLEAR, THEY PREFER STATE CONTROL OF LOCAL POLITICIANS.

THE BLACK OFFICERS SAY WE WOULD RATHER HAVE A BOARD OF POLICE COMMISSIONERS THAN THE MAYOR AND THE BOARD OF ALDE ALDERMEN.

>> IN TERMS OF THE HOMICIDES, ISN'T THE DIFFERENCE TBR YEAR TO YEAR, ISN'T IT 10?

>> FOR HOMICIDES.

>> THE DIFFERENCE IS 10.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S ANYTHING TO CELEBRATE.

>..

REDUCED IT BY 10, 10 YEARS FROM NOW, YOU WOULD HAVE A VERY LOW RATE.

.. POLICE OFFICERS, IT'S LIKE IN PRO SPORTS.

THE AVERAGE NUMBER SALARY-WISE, THE LOWEST IS FOR FOOTBALL BECAUSE THERE'S MORE PEOPLE.

THE REASON KIRKWOOD AND LADUE HAVE HIGHER POLICE SALARIES IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE HIGHER POLICE OFFICERS.

IT GOES ..

PLATFORM.

>&g.. ABOUT CRIME STATS, BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A HISTORY, NOTORIOUS HISTORY ON BOTH SIDES OF SKEWING STATS TO SHOW WHAT YOU WANTED TO SHOW.

BUT I ..

NUMBER OF HOMICIDES REQUIRES A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER INFORMATION, AND YOU POINTED OUT EXACTLY, AS THE POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION DID IN JEFFERSON CITY, THE CITY HAS LOST 40,000 PEOPLE IN THE LAST 10 YEARS.

ONE WOULD ASSUME THE RATE WOULD GO DOWN, BUT IT'S ALL ABOUT RATE COMPARED TO YOUR POPULATION.

IF YOU LOSE 40,000 PEOPLE SAYING YOU REDUCE HOMICIDES BY 10 MAY NOT BE THAT BIG OF AN IMPROVEMENT?

I AC..

HOMICIDE IS THE ONE STAT THAT'S TRUSTABLE.

EITH.. NOT A DEAD BODY.

>> I REMEMBER GOING BACK IN THE '90s WHEN WE WERE SETTING THE RECORDS.

THE POLICE C.. ROBERT SHEETS, SAID A LOT OF IT DEPENDS ON SEVERAL THINGS.

ONE, HOW GOOD WERE THE EMTS AND PARAMEDICS THAT GOT THERE?

HOW FAST DID THEY GET THEM TO THE HOSPITAL?

IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT POLICE OFFICERS CAN'T CONTROL.

>> SO THE STATE TAKES OVER, AND THE NUMBER OF POLICE OFFICERS ARE GOING TO INCREASE AND CRIME WILL GO DOWN FASTER IF THE STATE TAKES OVER?

>> I DIDN'T SAY THAT.

>> WHAT IS THE ARGUMENT?

>> THE ARGUMENT IS THE POLICE OFFICERS THAT WERE DOING THE JOB, BOTH MAJOR ORGANIZATIONS SAY WE WANT TO WORK FOR THE STATE, NOT THE CITY.

>> OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

>.. OFFICERS, THAT'S THE WAY TO GO.

>> THEY SHOULD JUST PICK EVERYTHING.

>> A LOT..

UNDER BOTH STATE CONTROL AND LOCAL CONTROL AND PREFER STATE CONTROL.

>> BILL, I WANT TO ASK..

SPEAKING OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE THEIR AYE ON THINGS OR DO THEY.

BETHER WILLIAMS IS THE HEAD OF STREETS.

AN.. SHOW OR JUST AFTER IT, AN E-MAIL WAS SENT OUT BY THE CITY, BASICALLY TO THE PRESS SAYING THAT SHE, BETHANY WILLIAMS, HADN'T REALLY SEEN THE STREETS BUT RELIED ON THE TESTIMONY OF HER WORKERS TO KNOW IF THE STREETS WERE PLOWED OR SALTED.

SHE ADMITTED IT WASN'T UNTIL THURSDAY AFTERNOON THAT I GOT OUT AND SAW THAT THE RANK AND FILE WERE TELLING ME MISTRUTHS.

THEY WERE LYING ABOUT HOW WELL THE SIDE STREETS WERE BEING PLOWED AND SALTED.

IT WAS A SITUATION WHERE THE MAYOR ACTUALLY GAVE THE CITY A B MINUS WHEN IT CAME TO SNOW REMOVAL LAST WEEK, BUT GIVEN SHE WASN'T PRECISELY ON TOP OF EACH AND EVERY HIGHWAY AND BY WAY IN THE CITY, SHOULD SHE BE THROWN OUT?

EVENT, A STORM AND ICE THAT MOST STREETS DIRECTORS COULDN'T DO TOO MUCH ABOUT.

WHEN YOU ARE REDUCED TO BLAMING YOUR STAFF AND SAYING PEOPLE LIE TO ME, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, NOBODY GIVES ME THE STRAIGHT SCOOP, THAT'S NOT A GOOD LOOK.

YOU WANT SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT SAY WE DIDN'T DO A GOOD JOB ON THIS OR WE WILL DO BETTER.

THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE AREN'T TRUTHFUL TO ME.

I'M EASILY FOOLED.

IF I WAS THE MAYOR, I WOULD GO I DON'T WANT THAT.

>> I SORT OF AGREE WITH BILL, BUT I WILL EVEN GO FURTHER.

BUT I DO BELIEVE YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN OUT AND DRIVEN MOST EVERY STREET.

IF YOU WERE TH.. DURING THIS STORM, IF I WERE THE STREET DIRECTOR I WOULD CALL DOWN TO THE MAIN GARAGE AND SAY GET THE BEST FOUR WHEEL DRIVE WE HAVE AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERY TELEVISION STATION, AND EVERY RADIO STATION AND NEWSPAPER HAD A PHOTO OF ME IN THE TRUCK TOURING THE STREETS.

THE IDEA THAT YOU HAD TO RELY ON APPARENTLY DISHONEST EMPLOYEES TO TELL YOU WHAT THE STREETS LOOK LIKE, I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO SHOVEL THE STREETS.

I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO SPREAD SALT.

BUT YOU .. WITH THE TROOPS AND STAND AROUND FOR A GOOD PHOTO ON THAT, AND THE IDEA TO COME BACK AND SAY I DIDN'T LEAVE MY HOUSE, IT SOUNDED LIKE I DIDN'T GO OUT FOR 10 DAYS, BUT MY EMPLOYEES WERE LYING TO ME.

>> THERE'S STILL ICE OUT THERE.

THIS IS TOUCH A LEADERSHIP.

THIS IS A JOKE TO THROW YOUR EMPLOYEES UNDER THE BUS THAT CAN'T DRIVE DOWN THE STREET.

>> LET'S HARKEN BACK TO MONDAY MORNING.

TH.. FRONT DOOR WHICH I HAD TO -- I COULDN'T GET OUT OF MY OWN HOUSE AT FIRST.

THE SECOND I LOOKED UP THERE, I WAS LIKE THIS IS BAD.

YOU DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TO LEAVE YOUR HOUSE BASICALLY TO KNOW THAT WHOA, WE HAVE GOT AN EVENT HERE.

..

IN THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS, YOU HAVE TO KNOW YOU DON'T PLOW THE SECONDARY STREETS.

THUS, IF YOU ARE IN CHARGE OF SNOW REMOVAL, YOU HAVE GOT TO KNOW THAT A, THE SECONDARY STREETS ARE GOING TO JUST BE A NIGHTMARE, AND IT'S JUST HORRIBLE.

I HAVE TO DO..

I HAVE TO TAKE ACTION.

LIKE YOU SAID, I HAVE TO BE OUT HERE.

.. >> YOU ARE THE STREETS DIRECTOR.

>> THE WEATHER IS SO BAD AS THE STREETS DIRECTOR, I CAN'T DO MY JOB.

CONFERENCE, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW WE WERE PUTTING PEOPLE IN OVERTIME, AND IT'S WORSE THAN IT WAS.

>> IMAGINE IF 6 BLOCKS OF THE CITY WAS ON FIRE.

THE FIRE CHIEF SAID WELL, I WASN'T PERSONALLY THERE.

BUT MY PEOPLE TOLD ME IT WAS REALLY BAD.

>> ST. LOUIS IS A LOT OF GEOGRAPHY.

I KI.. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF HER EMPLOYEES WERE LYING TO HER, I WOULD PUT IT ON THE EMPLOYEES.

>> CHARLIE, THIS IS MY PROBLEM.

YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO GO DOWN EVERY STREET.

YOU COULD HAVE..

OKAY.

>> AS IF IT COULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN CRAZIER, JOE, YOU HAD A PIECE THIS WEEK TAKING A LOOK AT KELLI DUNAWAY, WHO IS A FORMER MEMBER OF THE ST. LOUIS COUNTY COUNCIL.

SHE HAS A WEBSITE CALLED LEGAL WITCHCRAFT WHERE AMONG OTHER THINGS SHE WILL HELP C.. SPELLS AND RITUALS FOR PEOPLE.

IT SEEMS THIS IS A SIGN HOW CRAZY ST. LOUIS REALLY IS.

>> I FIGURED IT WAS A JOB AFTER POLITICS.

I MAKE NO JUDGMENT WHATSOEVER.

I THOUGHT IT WAS AN INTERESTING STORY.

OUT OF OFFICE AND BECOME A LAWYER.

>.. MORE BUSINESSMEN AND WOMEN IN POSITIONS OF POWER.

>> SHE'S IN BUSINESS.

>> SHE WAS A LAWYER WHO NOW IS HELPING PEOPLE CAST SPELLS, OKAY?

>> I'M OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT YOU DON'T MAKE FUN OF PEOPLE WHO CAN CAST SPELLS.

IF SHE SAID SHE CAN CAST SPELLS, OKAY.

>..

IT'S A WIN, WIN, BECAUSE I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE TO GET MY BROOM SERVICE.

>..

IF SOMEBODY SAID ALVIN, IF YOU WOULD INVEST $10,000 IN THE WITCH CAVITY BUSINESS, YOU WILL MAKE A HUNDRED OVER THE NEXT 12 MONTHS.

>..

IN NOW.

>> COMING FROM THE GUY THAT DENIES NELLY TO PUT SOME FOOD ON THE TABLE.

>> I'M SAYING, LOOK, IT'S A BUSINESS.

>&g.. DIRECTOR LARRY CEREBRAL PALSY WHO SAYS ST. LOUIS IS FULL 6 OF A BUNCH OF CLOWNS.

>> HE WAS THE BIGGEST CLOWN OF ALL.

..

THERE'S A LOT OF COMPE.. THAT HONOR INCLUDING THE NEW JUNIOR SENATOR FROM THE STATE OF MISSOURI ERIC SCHMITT WHO HAS A SIGN ADD A HEARING FOR THE DEFENSE SECRETARY, AND HE MISSPELLED IN BIG LETTERS MILITARY.

HE F..

I KNOW THERE'S NO I IN TEAM, BUT THERE IS IN READ.

HE SPELLS IT MILITARY.

AS OPPOSED TO TAKING IT DOWN THE SIGN, THERE HE IS TALKING IN FRONT OF MILLIONS IN FRONT OF THE IMPORTANT SECRETARY OF DEFENSE NOMINATION HEARING.

>> AND THE MAYOR OF PHILADELPHIA MISSPELLED EAGLES.

SHE MISSPELLED EAGLES.

MY FATHER WAS ONE OF THE MOST BRILLIANT MEN I EVER MET IN MY LIFE.

HE WORKE.. DEFENSE.

HE PUT P.. PEOPLE KNEW WHAT PROGRAMMING COMPUTERS WAS ALL ABOUT.

HE JELLED JURY AFTER JERAEH.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE HUMAN.

>> I'M GLAD SOMEONE FROM THE RADIO BUSINESS, UNDERSTANDS HOW TYPOS CAN HAPPEN.

SOMETIMES THINGS JUST HAPPEN.

YOU MAKE A MISSPELLING.

>> AND WHAT WAS HE GOING TO DO?

WHAT WAS HE GOING TO DO IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HEARING?

I THINK THIS ALSO SPEAKS TO THE SUPPORT STAFF THAT THEY HAVE MAYBE ON CAPITOL HILL.

>> I THINK YOU NEED TO TAKE THAT DOWN.

..

YOUR ADMINISTRATION THAT I GOT MILITARY MISSPELLED BEHIND ME IN THIS SERIOUS MEETING OF A MAN WHO A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK SHOULD NOT HOLD THIS POSITION, BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'M WITH TRUMP, AND I'M SCHMIDT, AND WE ARE GOING TO APPROVE THIS GUY.

IT'S A BIG GIANT KIND OF NOT LEAP OF FAITH.

>> I DON'T THINK ANY OF THAT PLAYED INTO IT, I THINK HE PROBABLY DIDN'T SEE THE SIGN, AND SOMEONE IS TELLING HIM IT'S MISSPELLED.

SOME AID.. GOT HUNG UP THERE.

I'M NOT SAYING IT'S A GOOD THING.

BUT MAN OH MAN.

>> MAYBE HE COULD CALL KELLI DUNAWAY AND WITH MAGIC GET IT CORRECTED.

>.. DIRECTOR AND THEY WOULD JUST LIE ANYWAY.

>> IN PHILADELPHIA THEY PRONOUNCED IT EGGLES.

I DON'T KNOW.

>> LET'S GO TO THE OLD MAILBAG AND SEE IF WE FIND ANY TYPOS.

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