>> Announcer: DONNYBROOK IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE MEMBERS OF THE NINE NETWORK.

>>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US FOR THIS EDITION OF DONNYBROOK.

LET'S MEET THE PANELISTS WHO ARE SEATED AROUND THE BIG GREEN TABLE FOR THIS EDITION, STARTING WITH WENDY WIESE FROM KTRS, THE MEDIA VETERAN.

FROM THE ST.

LOUIS POST-DISPATCH, SITTING IN FOR BILL McCLELLAN, MR.

JOE HOLLEMAN.

FROM THE RIVERFRONT TIMES, COLUMNIST RAY HARTMANN, ONE OF OUR FOUNDERS.

AND FROM THE ST.

LOUIS AMERICAN AND STLMAG.COM, ALVIN REID.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT'S A VERY SAD TIME HERE AT THE NINE NETWORK BECAUSE WE LOST OUR LEADER, CEO JACK GALMICHE, WHO DIED THIS WEEK.

JIM KIRCHHERR SHARED THESE REFLECTIONS.

>> Jim: THE NINE NETWORK THIS WEEK LOST ITS LEADER AND ST.

LOUIS A DEVOTED PUBLIC SERVANT.

PRESIDENT AND CEO JACK GALMICHE, WHO HEADED THE STATION FOR 13 YEARS, DIED SUDDENLY AT THE AGE OF 71.

UNDER HIS LEADERSHIP, THE NINE NETWORK HAS EXPANDED ITS SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY.

HE CHAMPIONED THE AMERICAN GRADUATE INITIATIVE, EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION, THE ARTS, SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY, THE ENVIRONMENT AND MORE.

BUILDING A MODEL OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT THAT'S NOW BEING FOLLOWED BY STATIONS AROUND THE COUNTRY.

HE EMBRACED NEW TECHNOLOGIES, ENABLING THE NINE NETWORK TO EXPAND ITS PROGRAMMING TO FOUR CHANNELS AND TO REACH NEW AUDIENCES THROUGH DIGITAL DISTRIBUTION.

AND HE WAS THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND THE CREATION OF THE PUBLIC MEDIA COMMONS IN GRAND CENTER.

A PLACE TO BRING ST.

LOUISANS TOGETHER.

WHEN HE CAME TO THE NINE NETWORK FROM OREGON PUBLIC BROADCASTING, JACK WAS COMING HOME.

HE WAS BON AND RAISED HERE, SHAPED BY THIS COMMUNITY.

HE WAS A GRADUATE OF ST.

LOUIS UNIVERSITY AND A MEMBER OF ITS NATIONAL CHAMPION SOCCER TEAM IN 1967 AND '69.

JUST THIS PAST MARCH, HE WAS AWARDED THE BILLIKEN HALL OF FAME DISTINGUISHED ALUMNI AWARD.

ALSO THIS YEAR, HE WAS HONORED BY APT ST.

WITH THE PILLAR OF SPERVES AWARD.

>> EACH OF US ARE PROVIDED A MOMENT IN TIME WHEN WE ARE END TRUSTED TO CARE FOR THIS TREASURE OF PUBLIC MEDIA AND I OFTEN ASK MYSELF, HOW AM I DOING?

IT DEPENDS ON HOW WELL WE'RE LISTENING TO AND EDGE GAUGING WITH THOSE WE SERVE.

OUR MISSION IS SIMPLY STATED AS IGNITING THE SPIRIT OF POSSIBILITY.

THE REASON WE EXIST IS TO IGNITE THE SPIRIT OF POSSIBILITY IN THE PEOPLE OF OUR REGION.

>> Jim: OUR CONDOLENCES TO JACK'S FAMILY, FRIENDS, AND COLLEAGUES.

AND THANKS TO JACK GALMICHE FOR LEAVING THE NINE NETWORK FAR BETTER THAN HE FOUND IT, PREPARED TO CONTINUE SERVING ST.

LOUIS FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.

>> AND YOU KNOW, RAY HARTMANN, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT.

AS JIM KIRCHHERR JUST SAID, THAT PARKING LOT NEXT DOOR WAS WHERE WE WOULD PUT OUR CHEVYS AND HONDAS OR WHATEVER FOR A LONG TIME AND FRANKLY WAS COMPLETELY NONDESCRIPT.

3655 OLIVE, AND HE TRANSFORMED IT INTO A LITTLE LANDSCAPE THERE, BEAUTIFULLY DESIGNED, PRETTY BOLD DESIGN, I WOULD SAY, AND IT'S NOW ACTUALLY I THINK A LASTING TRIBUTE TO JACK GALMICHE HERE IN ST.

LOUIS.

I THINK PEOPLE WHO HAVE SEEN IT ARE VERY PROUD OF IT AND PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN IT WILL BE REALLY SURPRISED AT HOW BEAUTIFUL HE'S KIND OF TRANSFORMED THIS AREA.

JUST ONE OF THE LEGACIES, I WOULD SAY.

>> AND THAT'S WELL SAID.

OUR CONDOLENCES TO ROSEMARY AND THEIR FOUR CHILDREN AND FAMILY.

IT'S A GREAT LOSS TO US, DONNYBROOK AND THE STATION, BUT ALSO REALLY TO ST.

LOUIS AND TO PBS.

I THINK THE ONE DISTINGUISHING FEATURE ABOUT JACK IS HE REALLY WAS PART OF THAT -- THE NATIONAL LEADERSHIP OF PBS AND REALLY ELEVATED OUR OWN STATION AS A RESULT OF THAT, AND HE WAS A VISIONARY AND HE WILL BE -- AND A WONDERFUL GUY.

WE'LL REALLY BE MISSED.

>> HE WAS ALWAYS POSITIVE.

IT'S NOT EASY TO BE A LEADER AND EVERY TIME WE WOULD SEE HIM, HE WAS ALWAYS INCREDIBLY POSITIVE.

HE WAS UNBELIEVABLY KIND AND GENEROUS TO THIS PANEL, TO THIS PROGRAM.

WE WILL ALWAYS BE INDEBTED TO HIM FOR THAT.

I THINK HIS LEGACY WILL BE THE FACT THAT HE, AT 71, HE HAD A VERY CONTEMPORARY VIEW OF THE MEDIA, THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE MEDIA TO THE COMMUNITY IT SERVES.

THAT IS SO RARE AND THE ENDLESS POSSIBILITIES THAT HE SAW IN A PUBLIC TELEVISION STATION.

YOU KNOW, IT USED TO BE PUBLIC TELEVISION WAS BIG BIRD AND MASTERPIECE THEATER.

HE SAW A WAY OF -- A PLACE OF ENGAGEMENT AND THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL LEGACY.

>> WHEN YOU MET HIM, YOU WOULD HAVE NEVER KNOWN ABOUT HIS EXPLOITS IN SOCCER THAT HE USED TO THE A ONE-TIME WORK FOR THE ST.

LOUIS BLUES AND I THINK OTHER EXECUTIVES, THAT MIGHT BE THE FIRST THING THEY SAY.

HE WAS SO INTO PUBLIC TELEVISION AND THE STATION THAT WHAT HE DID BEFORE, IT JUST REALLY DIDN'T MATTER.

AND HE SHOWED THAT ALL THE TIME AND LIKE I SAY, THAT PARKING LOT WHICH IS NOW THE MEDIA COMMONS, I'M SURE THAT WILL PROBABLY BEAR HIS NAME ONE DAY AND IT WILL BE VERY DESERVED.

>> REALLY ENGAGED WITH THE COMMUNITY.

YOU CAN SEE PEOPLE OUT THERE FOLK DANCING OR WATCHING A DOCUMENTARY OR DOING -- >> WEDDING RECEPTIONS.

>> WEDDING RECEPTIONS, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY, SO PRETTY COOL.

JOE, YOU DID A VERY NICE JOB THIS WEEK IN YOUR PIECE.

>> I CERTAINLY WASN'T AS ACQUAINTED WITH JACK AS YOU GUYS WERE, BUT HE WAS IN -- IN THE COUPLE OF TIMES WHEN OUR PATHS CROSSED HERE WHEN I WAS FILLING IN, ALWAYS PLEASANT AND THERE WAS A LINE I WROTE IN THE ARTICLE THAT MADE IT ONLINE THAT I HAD A CUT THAT RAY HAD SAID WHEN I INTERVIEWED HIM ABOUT JACK, AND IT STRUCK ME AS A LINE I WISH I COULD HAVE KEPT IN, BUT HE SAID, AND HE WAS A REALLY GOOD GUY.

AND THAT'S PROBABLY MY IMPRESSION OF HIM, NOT KNOWING HIM AS WELL.

HE SEEMED LIKE A REALLY GOOD GUY, SO CONDOLENCES TO HIS FAMILY.

>> I'M JUST SURPRISED JOE DIDN'T MISQUOTE ME, BUT HE DIDN'T.

>> HEY, JOE, YOU'VE ALSO BEEN FOLLOWING THE DON MARSH STORY FOR QUITE A BIT WITH A BIG SCOOP THIS WEEK WHICH WE CAN GET TO IN A MOMENT.

FOR OUR VIEWERS WHO MAY NOT HAVE FOLLOWED THIS CAREFULLY, KWMU WHERE HE RESIGNED A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AFTER SOME COLLEAGUES EXPRESSED CONCERN WHEN HE TOLD KAREN FOSS, HIS GUEST, SHE LOOKED GOOD, THEY WROTE A PIECE ABOUT THE STORY AND SEEMED TO INDICATE THAT THERE'S MORE.

THAT DON, AMONG OTHER THINGS, AFTER THE KAREN FOSS INTERVIEW TOLD THE NEXT GUEST THAT THEY WENT A LITTLE OVERTIME, KAREN AND HE DID, BECAUSE BEAUTY TAKES PRECEDENCE.

ALSO APPARENTLY WHEN BOB DUFFY, YOU'RE FORMER COLLEAGUE, WAS HUGGING SOMEBODY AT KWMU, DON SAID, HEY, GET A ROOM, AND SOME COLLEAGUES DIDN'T LIKE THAT.

AND THERE WAS SOME OTHER OCCASIONS, TOO, WHERE DON HAD SAID A FEW THINGS APPARENTLY TO THE ASSISTANT FOR STEVE STENGER, ELLEN LAMPEY, COUNTY EMPLOYEE WHERE DON APPARENTLY SAID TO STEVE I'D LIKE TO TAKE HER HOME.

HE BELIEVES HIS COMMENTS WERE MISCONSTRUED, BUT OTHER PEOPLE DIDN'T REALLY CARE FOR THAT.

THEN YOU FIND OUT THAT HE WAS GOING TO BE HONORED WITH A LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD, WHICH YOU REPORTED AND BROKE THIS WEEK.

>> YEAH, SO APPARENTLY A FEW MONTHS AGO, TALKED TO MR.

MARSH AND ASKED HIM, I HEARD A FEW MONTHS AGO HE WAS GOING TO GET THIS AWARD FROM THE RADIO STATION, ST.

LOUIS PUBLIC RADIO HAS A YEARLY EVENT WHERE THEY HONOR DONORS AND VARIOUS PEOPLE WHO DESERVE CREDIT FOR THE YEAR AND THE MILLARD COHEN LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD WAS GOING TO DON MARSH AND AND ALWAYS HAPPENS IN THESE THINGS, THE INVITATIONS ARE SENT OUT AND THEN THIS COMES UP, SO THIS YEAR THERE WILL BE NO LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD BECAUSE DON SAID I DON'T WANT IT, AND QUITE HONESTLY, SAID IT WOULD BE KIND OF SILLY TO OFFER TO IT ME AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

THAT WAS THE STORY I BROKE AND I WON'T COMMENT ON OTHER PEOPLE'S STORIES.

I'M NEVER SURPRISED WHEN AN INTERNAL INVESTIGATION UNCOVERS NO WRONGDOING.

>> WELL, I HAVE TO SAY, I WILL COMMENT A LITTLE ON OTHER -- IN THAT I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR NPR AS WE ALL DO, BUT FOR THEM TO WRITE A STORY ON THEIR OWN WEBSITE WITH A DISCLAIMER THAT, WELL, WE'RE IN A SEPARATE DEPARTMENT OF THE SAME ORGANIZATION, I MEAN, I THINK AS A PUBLIC BROADCAST OUTLET, IF THERE'S A CONTROVERSY INVOLVING THE NPR STATION HERE, THEN THE NPR STATION SHOULD STEP UP AND MAKE AN AFFIRMATIVE STATEMENT TO THE PUBLIC AND SPEAK DIRECTLY TO IT AND THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

I THOUGHT IT WAS A LITTLE STRANGE TO READ A STORY.

IT WOULD BE A LITTLE LIKE THE BLUES MARKETING DEPARTMENT SAYING, WELL, WE HAVE DIFFERENT LEADERSHIP THAN THE PLAYERS, SO WE'RE GOING TO PUT OUT AN IMPARTIAL STATEMENT ABOUT SOME CONTROVERSY IN THE LOCK DER ROOM.

>> I WILL SAY, BUT RAY -- >> BUT IT'S NOT -- YOUR THE SAME ORGANIZATION.

>> I GENERALLY AM TAKING DON'S SIDE IN THIS ONE, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS INFORMATIVE.

>> IT WAS FORMER MASSIVE, BUT -- >> I THOUGHT THE STATION GAVE NEW INFORMATION THAT I DIDN'T HAVE.

>> I THINK THE STATION GAVE NEW INFORMATION THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE, TOO, AND I ALSO HAVE HEARD ON PLAYGROUND DUTY, FOURTH GRADERS SAYING GET A ROOM.

I MEAN, THAT'S HOW -- THAT'S HOW I THINK THIS RISES TO SUCH A RIDICULOUS HYPERSENSITIVE LEVEL.

AND WHEN YOU HAVE -- I MEAN, GET A ROOM AND THE BEAUTY TAKES PRECEDENCE WOULD BE CONSIDERED MANNERS AND A WAY OF TRYING TO MAKE THE NEXT PERSON FEEL LESS AWKWARD ABOUT BEING DELAYED OR WHAT HAVE YOU, AND I CERTAINLY -- I DON'T WANT TO CAUSE ANY FURTHER CONSTERNATION TO THE AFOREMENTIONED, IN MANY ARTICLES, E.B.

HEMPHILL, BUT I HOPE THAT NO ONE EVER HAS A BAD DAY AND COMES IN AND SAYS SOMETHING LIKE I'D LIKE TO KILL THE GUY IN FRONT OF ME BECAUSE MS.

HEMPHILL FROM THIS EXPERIENCE SOUNDS AS IF SHE WILL CALL THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY.

IT'S TRUE, I'M SORRY.

>> WE CAN IDENTIFY HER FOR -- >> AS THE PRODUCER IMPHOO SHE WAS IDENTIFIED IN THIS KWMU REPORT AS ONE OF THE COLLEAGUES WHO HAD TROUBLE WITH DON'S LANGUAGE, RIGHT?

>> BUT THE LANGUAGE, THE LANGUAGE IS GET A ROOM.

THE LANGUAGE -- >> OR YOU LOOK GOOD.

>> THAT IS ABSOLUTELY SO FAR OFF THE CHART -- >> BUT ELLEN LAMPEY OF THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE'S OFFICE DID EXPRESS HER CONCERNS AND SHE DID NOT APPRECIATE DON'S LANGUAGE.

>> WHEN DID SHE EXPRESS HER CONCERNS?

WHEN THEY WERE WRITING THE ARTICLE OR RIGHT BEFORE -- >> WHEN SHE FOUND OUT THAT HE SAID THAT FOR HER.

>> CHARLIE, I FILLED IN FOR YOU AND SAT IN THIS CHAIR AND I FORGET WHO IT WAS SITTING IN THIS ONE AND IF I'M NOT ON THE SHOW NEXT WEEK, THIS IS PROBABLY WHY.

I INTRODUCED HER AND SAID THINGS ARE CERTAINLY LOOKING LOVELIER THAN THEY USUAL DO.

I DIDN'T THINK ANYTHING ABOUT IT, BUT IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO MAKE SOMETHING OUT OF THAT, THEY COULD.

THEY WOULD BE WRONG AND I KNOW THEY WOULD BE WRONG AND I WOULD BE KIND OF INSULTED BY THAT.

AS RAY KIND OF MENTIONED, THE WHOLE IDEA THAT THE NEWSROOM PART IS, YOU KNOW, WRITING A STORY ABOUT THE RADIO PART, I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

>> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE TIME YOU SAT HERE AND SAD TO WENDY, YOU LOOK LOVELY?

>> NO, WAIT AS GUEST.

IT WAS A GUEST.

>> THAT WAS FOUR WEEKS AGO.

>> IT WAS A GUEST.

>> NO ONE COMPLAINED.

>> IT WAS A TIME WHEN I WAS HOST -- >> NO, THEY ACTUALLY DID COMPLAIN.

SOMEONE DID COMPLAIN.

>> DID THEY?

>> CHARLIE, LET ME PUSH BACK JUST A LITTLE BIT.

EVERY COMPLAINT THAT EVERY WOMAN MAKES IS NOT NECESSARILY UNJUSTIFIED.

NOW, I'M NOT -- WE DON'T KNOW, AND I SAID IT BEFORE WHEN IT FIRST CAME UP WITH DON MARSH, WE ALL HAVE GREAT RESPECT TO DON AND HIS CAREER, THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT AND I THOUGHT THE WHOLE KAREN FOSS THING WAS JUST NONSENSE, BUT THAT DOES THE NOT MEAN THAT THERE ARE NO OTHER POINTS OF VIEW AND DON HIMSELF REFERRED TO KIND OF COMPARING HIMSELF TO JOE BIDEN, AND I'VE SAID, I DIDN'T THINK JOE BIDEN'S STUFF WAS DISQUALIFYING, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE HAVING A LEGITIMATE DISCUSSION THAT NEEDS TO BE HAPPENED BECAUSE NORMS DO CHANGE AND NOT EVERY GUY WHO IS ON THE RECEIVING END OF SOMETHING IS A VICTIM EITHER.

I THINK THERE ARE DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEW AND CHANGE IN NORMS, SO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD -- >> ARE YOU SAYING NO NOT EVERY GUY ON THE RECEIVING END IS A VICTIM?

>> CORRECT.

IN THE CASE -- NO, ON THE RECEIVING END OF CRITICISM IS THEREBY A VICTIM OF AN UNFAIR ATTACK.

>> OH.

>> I JUST -- I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD -- WE'RE JUST SAYING THIS EVIE, LIKE WE'RE GOING TO CHASTISE HER FOR WHATEVER VIEW SHE HAS, I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF WHAT HAPPENED AND ALL I'M SAYING IS I STILL RESPECT DON.

>> OKAY, HERE'S -- >> WE SHOULD MOVE ALONG BECAUSE WE HAVE OTHER TOPICS.

>> I'M STILL AVAILABLE FOR THAT LIFETIME ACHIEVER, ALTHOUGH I DOUBT THAT'S HAPPENING.

>> AND I HAVE TO SAY, I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO INTERVIEW EVERYBODY IN THAT STORY.

>> BUT THE SENSIBILITY -- >> THERE WERE NOT MADE AVAILABLE TO US AND HAVE GOTTEN NO COMMENT, SO I WOULD LOVE TO VISIT WITH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE PERSONS NAMED IN THE NPR STORY THAT THEY WROTE ABOUT IT.

I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO INTERVIEW EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM.

>> THE SENSIBILITIES INVOLVED WITH SOMEBODY WHO ACTUALLY BELIEVES THAT SAYING SOMETHING LIKE BEAUTY TAKES PRECEDENCE OR GET A ROOM -- >> THOSE TWO ARE DIFFERENT, ACTUALLY, BUT OKAY.

>> GET A ROOM TO TWO -- I MEAN -- I'M SORRY.

>> WELL, GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES, I'M SURE IT WAS JUST PLAYFUL.

MY OPINION ONLY.

ALVIN REID, THE NAACP OF ST.

LOUIS COUNTY ENDORSED THE BETTER TOGETHER PLAN TO MERGE THE CITY AND THE COUNTY, CREATING ONE BIG 1.3 MILLION -- WE THINK IT'S 1.3 MILLION, MOST RECENT CENSUS PROJECTIONS SHOW IT MIGHT BE LESS THAN 1.3 MILLION BEFORE THE END OF THE DAY, BUT THE IDEA IS TO HAVE ONE CITY.

I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THE NAACP CAME TO ITS THINKING, BUT IT WAS IN SHARP CONTRAST TO THE SENATE WHICH VOTED OVERWHELMINGLY AGAINST A STATEWIDE VOTE, WHICH WOULD MERGE THE TWO IN NOVEMBER OF 2020.

WHERE DO YOU STAND ON THIS?

>> WHEN I FIRST MOVED BACK TO ST.

LOUIS IN 1995, THE FIRST THING I -- ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I WONDERED ABOUT IS WHY IS THERE A ST.

LOUIS COUNTY MEGAN AND A ST.

CITY NAACP, AND THERE WAS NO REALLY ANSWER FOR THAT OTHER THAN WE DON'T LIKE EACH OTHER VERY MUCH.

I FOUND THAT INTERESTING.

THEN WHEN I GOT TO ST.

LOUIS AMERICAN, ANYTIME THE NAACP CAME UP AND WE WERE GOING TO WRITE A STORY, SOMEBODY WOULD SAY FOLLOW THE MONEY, SOMEBODY'S GETTING PAID.

I THOUGHT THAT'S A TERRIBLE THING TO SAY.

I'VE LEARNED SINCE THOSE DAYS, IT'S THE TRUTH.

FOLLOW THE MONEY.

THESE IMPASSIONED PLEAS BY THE NAACP EXECUTIVE REPRESENTATIVE, IT WAS NOT THEN POINTED OUT, HE WAS FULLY BEING PAID BY THE BETTER TOGETHER.

>> WHEN HE WAS STILL STANDING THERE REPRESENTING THE NAACP, THE INTERESTS OF THE NAACP.

>> NOW, THAT MEANS EVERYTHING SHOULD BE THROWN OUT.

YOU KNOW, WHAT HE SAID, NAACP INVOLVEMENT, ALL THAT.

AND IT'S JUST SAD.

IT'S SAD.

YOU KNOW, I AM AGAINST BETTER TOGETHER.

THIS IS A WHOLE SEPARATE ISSUE.

WHAT WENT ON WITH THIS SPEECH AND ALL THAT, IT'S JUST SAD.

THAT'S THE REPRESENTATION THAT THE NAACP IS SUPPOSED TO BE PUTTING FORTH FOR AFRICAN AMERICAN CITIZENS IN THIS REGION, THAT'S THE BEST THEY CAN DO?

CITY, COUNTY, START OVER AGAIN, PLEASE.

IT'S JUST BAD, SAD.

>> AND I THINK THAT'S THE REPORTING OF YOUR COLLEAGUE JEREMY KOHLER IN TOMORROW'S EDITION?

>> YES, I BELIEVE ONLINE ALREADY.

>> THE OPTICS, NOT ALL OF US HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE GENERAL CONCEPT OF THE STATE OF MISSOURI IMPOSING A MERGER ON TWO ENTITIES THAT, WITHOUT THEIR APPROVAL, IN THIS CASE THE CITY AND COUNTY, AND I THINK IT'S INTERESTING, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NONBINDING, I THINK IT WAS 26-5 OR SOME WIDE MARGIN IN THE SENATE, THAT SPEAKS TO, REALLY TO WHAT ALVIN WAS SAYING.

MAYBE THIS AROUND THE STATE IS NOT GOING TO BE QUITE AS EASY TO SELL EVEN WITH A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE AROUND MISSOURI AND OUT-STATE AND KANSAS CITY DON'T PARTICULARLY BUY INTO THE CONCEPT THAT THE STATE AS A WHOLE SHOULD IMPOSE ITS WILL ON WILLING COUNTIES.

>> BUT IT'S EARLY.

>> BUT THE IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, BETTER TOGETHER HAS TO BE SPENDING MONEY TO WIN THE SUPPORT AND AFFECTION AND ADVOCACY OF PEOPLE, IT SEEMS TO BE A RECURRING THEME.

>> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT AND AT CHESTERFIELD CITY HALL, THERE WAS A STANDING ROOM ONLY CROWD OF PEOPLE WHO ARE OPPOSED TO IT, AND THEY ARE NOT BEING REMUNERATED IN ANY WAY, SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF INTERESTING.

>> WENDY, I WANT FOR FOLLOW UP ON A STORY THAT WEEK THAT REALLY SHOCKED ME AND THAT'S WHEN A DO-GOODER ORGANIZATION, WHICH IS TRYING TO PROVIDE BAIL TO PEOPLE, ACTUALLY BAILED OUT ONE FELLOW WHO HAD BEEN CHARGED WITH BEATING HIS WIFE.

TURNS OUT HE HAD ALSO BEEN CONVICTED PREVIOUSLY OF VIOLENCE, OF ASSAULT, AND TWO DRUG CHARGES.

SO HE GETS OUT ON $5,000 AND A COUPLE HOURS LATER, KILLS HIS WIFE ACCORDING TO CHARGES FILED BY POLICE.

THIS ORGANIZATION ACTUALLY BAILED OUT A GUY WHO WENT HOME AND HE KILLED HIS WIFE.

SO WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS?

>> WELL, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE ORGANIZATION, BAIL PROJECT, SAID THAT THERE WAS NO WAY TO HAVE FORESEEN THIS TRAGIC EVENT, AND SHE SAID THAT THIS -- AND IT COULD HAVE BEEN A HE, BUT THEY SAID THAT THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF ANYBODY ELSE HAD BAILED HIM OUT.

BUT NO ONE ELSE BAILED HIM OUT.

THEY BAILED HIM OUT.

BAIL PROJECT BAILED THIS MAN OUT AND FOR THAT REASON, 54-YEAR-OLD MARSHA JOHNSON IS DEAD, AND IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, SHE HAS CHILDREN.

SHE WAS BEATEN TO DEATH AND WHAT I FOUND MOST STUNNING WAS CIRCUIT ATTORNEY KIM GARDNER, HER RESPONSE WAS I'M GOING TO SIT DOWN WITH THE BAIL PROJECT AND I'M GOING TO HELP THEM BETTER UNDERSTAND.

THAT'S THE KIND OF THING I WOULD EXPECT FROM A GUIDANCE COUNSELOR.

I THINK THAT -- I THINK THAT TRYING TO RIGHT SOCIETAL WRONGS IS A LAUDABLE, LAUDABLE GOAL, A HISTORICAL SOCIETAL WRONG IS A LAUDABLE GOAL.

IT SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN AT THE EXPENSE, MUCH LESS, YOU KNOW, THE SAFETY, MUCH LESS THE LIFE OF SOMEBODY.

>> WELL, OKAY.

IF YOU WANT TO CALL THEM DO-GOODERS, OKAY, THAT'S FINE, BUT SOMETIMES DO-GOODERS DO BAD, BUT PLEASE DON'T ELIMINATE WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.

LIKE THEY SAID, ANYBODY COULD HAVE BAILED THIS GENTLEMAN OUT.

I COULD HAVE JUST FOR WHATEVER REASON AND THE SAME THING COULD HAVE HAPPENED.

I JUST -- I WILL NOT HOLD THIS ORGANIZATION SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS WOMAN'S DEATH.

>> HE IS SOLELY RESPONSIBLE.

>> RIGHT.

AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT WHILE BAIL IS ONE THING, BUT DEFENSE ATTORNEYS TAKE ON SOME REALLY, REALLY BAD TEAM AND THEY GET THEM OFF ON TECHNICALITIES OR THEY WIN VERDICTS AND THEY GO OUT AND COMMIT THE SAME OR WORSE CRIME THAN THEY WERE BEING HELD FOR IN THE FIRST PLACE.

I THINK OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM CAN DEAL WITH KIND OF THING.

IT'S HORRIBLE, DON'T GET ME WRONG, OKAY?

BUT I JUST CAN'T LOOK THAT ORGANIZATION IN THE EYE AND SAY YOU DID WRONG.

>> SEE, I CAN.

>> I THINK IT'S SUPREMELY TOES LOOK AT THAT ORGANIZATION -- SUPREMELY EASY TO LOOK AT THAT ORGANIZATION AND SAY YOU DID WRONG.

YOU SAY THIS COULD HAVE HAPPENED OR THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED.

HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED AS WENDY POINTED OUT.

THEY BAILED HIM OUT, HE WENT HOME AND BEAT HIS WIFE TO DEATH.

IF HE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN OUT, THAT WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED.

AT LEAST WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SEEN WAS ACCEPTING RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT DO-GOODERS, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE SOMETIMES DO-GOODERS DO GOOD, BUT SOMETIMES I THINK IN -- SOMETIMES IS THE CASE, WHAT WE LOOK AT IS IN THIS SORT OF VIEW OF HOW WE'D LIKE THINGS TO BE AND THAT ALL PEOPLE IN JAIL ARE THE SUBJECT OF AN INJUSTICE AND IF THEY CAN JUST GET FREE TO BAIL, THEY'D GO GET THEIR GED AND ALL WOULD BE RIGHT WITH THE WORLD.

WELL, WHAT YOU HAVE IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT DIDN'T BOTHER TO LOOK THAT THIS PERSON HAD TWO DRUG CONVICTIONS, AN ASSAULT CONVICTION, AND A PROTECTIVE ORDER HAD BEEN FILED AGAINST HIM TO KEEP HIM AWAY FROM HIS WIFE.

THIS GROUP APPARENTLY DIDN'T KNOW THAT.

DOESN'T KNOW ENOUGH SO THAT KIM GARDNER APPARENTLY, AS IF SHE WERE LECTURING A COLLEGE CLASS, HAS TO -- AND THESE STORIES WERE IN OUR PAPER ONLINE, BUT THEY DIDN'T MAKE PRINT.

KIM GARDNER SAID IN A STATEMENT THAT SHE WANTED TO NEAT WITH THEIR LEADERS TO HELP THEM BETTER UNDERSTAND THE RISKS TO VICTIMS AND WITNESSES WHEN POSTING BAIL.

IF YOU DO NOT ALREADY UNDERSTAND THE DANGERS, YOU SHOULD NOT BE FUSSING AROUND IN THIS SITUATION.

AND WHY I THINK THIS IS A CASE OF LET'S JUST LOOK AT THE FEEL- FEEL-GOOD OR THE DO-GOOD PART OF IT, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR SAID MOMENTS LIKE THIS ARE DEVASTATING, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT NOT TO LOSE SIGHT OF THE LARGER INJUSTICES OF CASH BAIL AND THE NEED FOR REFORM.

I IMMEDIATELY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TRUST FOR AN ORGANIZATION THAT DOES NOT SEE THE BEATING DEATH OF A WOMAN AT THE HANDS OF HER HUSBAND AT ONE OF THE LARGER ISSUES.

>> THERE'S TWO PARTS TO THIS STORY.

THERE IS THE LARGER ISSUE OF A CASH BAIL SYSTEM THAT IS BROKEN AND THEN THERE IS THE POOR CRISIS COMMUNICATIONS OF THIS ORGANIZATION.

THERE'S NO DEBATING THEY HANDLED THAT SECOND PART OF THAT, THE CRISIS COMMUNICATIONS, THEIR RESPONSE WAS NOT A GOOD ONE.

BUT IT DOES NOT FOLLOW THAT, WHAT ALVIN IS SAYING, THAT THEIR OVERALL CAUSE IS NOT JUST AND THAT THEY ARE NOT -- AND THEY ARE NOT THE ONES WHO GAVE -- THAT GRANTED THE BAIL, OKAY?

AND SO THEIR ADVOCACY -- >> YOU MEAN SET THE BAIL.

THEY GRANTED THE BAIL.

>> THEY PAID THE BAIL.

>> THEY PAID IT, BUT THEY DIDN'T -- >> RIGHT, RIGHT.

THEY DIDN'T SET IT.

>> I THINK THE JUDGE SET IT WAY TOO LOW.

>> WELL, THAT'S WHAT -- >> HE DIDN'T EXPECT THAT ANYONE WAS GOING TO COME AROUND.

>> THE JUDGE SAID THAT -- >> THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS.

>> THE JUDGE SET THE BAIL, NOT THE ORGANIZATION, AND I DON'T BLAME -- THE POINT IS, IT WAS A HORRIBLE TRAGIC RESULT, BUT IT DOES NOT DISPROVE THAT WE HAVE AN OVERALL CRISIS, REALLY, WITH THE CASH BAIL SYSTEM THAT IS UNJUST.

AND SO YOU CAN EASILY CRITICIZE THIS GROUP FOR HOW IT HANDLED THE CRISIS, BUT ALSO NOT GIVE UP ON ITS MISSION.

>> YOU CAN EASILY CRITICIZE BETTER TOGETHER FOR A PLAN, BUT OVERALL, YOU AGREE WITH SOME SORT OF MERGER, SO YES, YOU CAN CRITICIZE THE SPECIFICS.

AND THEY SPECIFICALLY WENT BY THIS AS BADLY AS THEY COULD HAVE WITH THE WORST POSSIBLE RESULT, SO PLEASE DON'T POINT OUT TO ME THAT THE LARGER INJUSTICE IS BAIL.

>> BUT THERE IS A LARGER INJUSTICE.

THERE IS.

>> THE INJUSTICE HERE IS THE DEAD 54-YEAR-OLD WOMAN.

STOP SAYING THERE'S A LARGER INJUSTICE.

>> JUST AS LARGE.

>> BECAUSE OF THIS PARTICULAR TRAGEDY, AND IT IS A TRAGEDY, WE SHOULDN'T BE CONCERNED ABOUT CASH BAIL AS AN ISSUE?

THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

>> I DON'T THINK I SAID THAT.

ALL I SAID WAS THIS ORGANIZATION NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AS TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING, HOW THEY'RE DOING IT.

>> WITHOUT QUESTION.

>> SO APPARENTLY WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM A CIVICS 101 LESSON SO THEY UNDERSTAND THE DANGER TO VICTIMS AND WITNESSES.

>> FINAL TOPIC OF THE NIGHT.

ALVIN REID, THE SCHOOL BOARD BUSINESS NOW GOING TO BE ELECTED IN THE -- IS NOW GOING TO BE ELECTED IN THE CITY OF ST.

LOUIS.

AS YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOLS HAVE BEEN ADMINISTERED BY AN APPOINTED SPECIAL ADMINISTRATIVE BOARD FOR THE LAST DECADE OR SO, AND SO NOW THE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS WILL BE ELECTED ONCE AGAIN, EVEN THOUGH TEST SCORES HAVE BEEN RISING AND THE GRADUATION RATES HAVE IMPROVED AND ALL THAT.

DO YOU THINK THIS IS A GOOD MOVE?

>> I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD HAVE FLOWN IN ANY OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICT IN THE STATE OF MISSOURI OR ANY OTHER STATE IN AMERICA, BUT IT WAS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ST.

LOUIS.

I'VE NEVER BOUGHT IN THAT THE SCHOOLS WERE THAT MUCH BETTER.

MAYBE THEY DID IMPROVE, BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS.

I THINK IT JUST -- I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS CONSTITUTIONAL TO TAKE AWAY THE ELECTED RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY OF ST.

LOUIS REGARDLESS OF WHO SAID WHAT ABOUT THIS SCHOOL OR THAT SCHOOL.

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, IN BOSTON, AND I THINK PHILADELPHIA, THE SCHOOL BOARDS ARE APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR.

>> I DO THINK THAT -- >> IF THAT WAS OUR SYSTEM, IF THAT'S HOW WE OPERATED OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT, FOR THE STATE TO COME IN AND RUN AND SAY WE'RE GOING TO APPOINT, I NEVER DID LIKE.

>> I DO THINK KELVIN ADAMS AND THE SPECIAL ADMINISTRATIVE BOARD, AND I WAS OPPOSED TO IT AT THE TIME, I THINK THEY DID A GREAT JOB, THE SPECIAL ADMINISTRATIVE BOARD.

I DO THINK KEL VENN ADAMS AND THE -- KELVIN ADAMS AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAVE MADE GREAT PROGRESS.

I AGREE DEMOCRACY OUGHT TO PREVAIL, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO SEE IF THIS SCHOOL BOARD IS LESS DYSFUNCTIONAL THAN THE LAST ONE.

>> GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT.

>> LET'S HOPE THEY DO A GOOD JOB.

>> SOMETIMES DEMOCRACIES ARE MESSY.

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LET'S GO TO THE CALLERS.

LET'S GO TO BOB IN NORTH COUNTY.

HI, BOB, WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND?

>> Caller: HOW YOU DOING?

I'D JUST LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE BOND -- OR THE BAIL.

SEEMS LIKE, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE SOLUTION IS, BUT EVERYBODY SAYS THERE'S A PROBLEM, BUT NOBODY HAS A SOLUTION.

AND IT SEEMS LIKE POOR PEOPLE GET AWAY WITH THINGS BECAUSE THEY'RE POOR, SO WHAT ARE THEIR CONSEQUENCES IF THEY'RE GOING TO LET THEM OUT?

JUST LIKE WHEN THEY GET A TICKET IN THE COMMUNITIES, I KNOW THEY MADE A LAW YOU COULDN'T CHARGE MORE IN TOTAL THAN YOU'RE SUPPOSED REVENUE, BUT I THOUGHT THERE WAS COMMUNITY SERVICE THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING TO PAY FOR THE TICKET STEAD.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT EVER HAPPENS.

>> BOB, LET ME ASK YOU, IF YOU WERE FROM MIDDLE CLASS OR AFFLUENT OR WHATEVER, ARE YOU SAYING THEIR BOND SHOULD BE HIGHER THAN A POOR PERSON'S SHOULD?

I DON'T -- I MEAN, BOND WAS SET FOR THERE -- FOR THIS GUY AT $5,000.

IT WOULDN'T BE ANY MORE OR ANY LESS IF HE WERE SOMEBODY ELSE.

I DON'T GET YOUR POINT ON HE GOT AWAY WITH SOMETHING.

>> Caller: THEY'RE SAYING THE ISSUE IS WHY ARE WE GIVING THESE BALES, THEY'RE SAYING WHAT SHOULD WE DO INSTEAD.

THEY'RE COMPLAINING THAT POOR PEOPLE ARE GETTING HIGH BALILS?

WHAT IS THE SOLUTION?

IT TURNS OUT THE BAIL STHUSIVE A LOT LIAR BECAUSE HE HAD A HISTORY OF -- A LOT HIGHER BECAUSE HE HAD A HISTORY OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

>> OBVIOUSLY THE COMPLICATING FACTOR HERE IS HE WAS IN FOR A MISDEMEANOR.

>> RIGHT, HE WASN'T IN FOR AN ASSAULT CHARGE.

>> THE BROADER ISSUE IS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PRETRIAL, THAT THE CASH BAIL SYSTEM SENDS -- HAS BEEN UNCONSTITUTIONALLY SHOWN TO BE BASICALLY A SYSTEM OF CONVICTING PEOPLE, OF PUTTING THEM IN JAIL AND NOT LETTING THEM OUT UNDER ANY CONDITIONS.

THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT THIS -- I THINK THE GROUP ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THIS IS A HORRIBLE TRAGEDY AND HOPEFULLY WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN, BUT WE APPRECIATE YOUR CALL, BOB.

>> YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T MENTION IT ON THE SHOW.

KIND OF A SEPARATE SITUATION, BUT CONGRATULATIONS TO TONY MESSENGER AT POST-DISPATCH.

>> WE DIDN'T MENTION.

HE WON THE PULITZER PRIZE.

HOW DID WE NOT MENTION THAT MANY REQUEST.

>> RIGHT, FOR A SERIES OF COLUMNS ON DEBTOR'S PRISON.

>> WE SHOULD HAVE GIVEN A SHOUTOUT TO TONY MESSENGER FOR HIS -- A BUNCH OF COLUMNS.

GOOD CALL.

>> RIGHT.

>> WHO'S NEXT?

>> THAT WOULD BE MAX IN ST.

LOUIS.

HI, MAX.

>> Caller: I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SCHOOL BOARD HAVING DEMOCRACY RETURNED TO THE CITY OF ST.

LOUIS.

FIRST OF ALL, RAY, YOU NEED TO EDUCATE YOURSELF ABOUT THE LAST SCHOOL BOARD, THAT THEY WERE NOT THE PROBLEM.

THE STATS WERE TRENDING UP.

WHEN IT COMES TO THE SCHOOL BOARD PROBLEMS, SEVERAL BOARDS BACK WHERE THERE WAS A NUMBER OF CRAZINESS, WE REMEMBER THE LADY THAT POURED ICE WATER OVER HER FELLOW MEMBER.

OF COURSE, WE DON'T REMEMBER A NIGHT AN EX--MAYOR HAD TO BE RESTRAINED.

WE DON'T REMEMBER THAT BECAUSE WE ALL LIKED VINCE, BUT I -- THE LAST SCHOOL BOARD WAS NOT THE PROBLEM, RAY, AND YOU NEED TO LOOK INTO IT, NOT FALL FOR THE OKEYDOKE.

AND IT'S TIME WE BROUGHT DEMOCRACY BACK TO THE CITY OF ST.

LOUIS.

>> OKAY.

THANK YOU.

>> Caller: DEMOCRACY HAS BEEN THWARTED EVERY WHICH WAY IN THE STATE OF MISSOURI.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU.

>> WAIT, WAIT, MAX.

THE LAST SCHOOL BOARD WAS -- IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE THAT WAS IN EXISTENCE THAT KIND OF CONCURRENTLY TO THE SAB, IT DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY, YOU KNOW, POWER.

WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO IS THE SCHOOL BOARDS YOU WERE REFERENCING THAT, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, I WAS NOT A FAN OF BRINGING IN THE SAB, BUT I SURE THINK THE RESULT -- I DO THINK THE RESULT WAS POSITIVE.

BUT THANK YOU FOR THE CALL.

WE DO APPRECIATE IT, MAX.

LET'S GO TO RON FROM ST.

LOUIS.

HEY, RON, WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND?

>> Caller: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TAKING MY CALL.

I'D LIKE TO MENTION THAT THIS BETTER TOGETHER IN ST.

LOUIS IS LIKE TWO PEOPLE GETTING INTO THE SAME BOAT AND A LOT OF THINGS LIKE THE SALES TAX, THE PROBLEMS WITH A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON WITH THE POLICE, THE CITY WORKERS AND EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENED IN THE CITY WILL THE SAME THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN THE COUNTY.

THE LOT OF -- SPENDING ALL THIS MONEY ON BETTER TOGETHER, YOU TAKE CARE OF YOUR BOAT AND WE'LL TAKE KAFER OUR BOAT AND THANK YOU.

>> IT'S A LOT OF EXPENDITURE GOING INTO IT AND IF YOU TOOK THAT MONEY AND THREW IT AT THIS PROBLEM OR THAT PROBLEM -- I DON'T WANT TO TELL REX SINQUEFIELD HOW TO SPEND HIS MONEY, BUT $25 MILLION IS $25 MILLION.

>> I CAN TELL HIM NOT TO SPEND IT.

>> MAYBE THAT'S THE WAY TO PUT IT.

NOT ON THAT.

LET'S GO TO DENISE IN COTTAGE HILL.

>> HOW YOU DOING, DENISE?

>> Caller: HI, GENTLEMEN.

I'M DOING JUST FINE, THANK YOU.

I HAVE A QUESTION AND THEN JUST A QUICK COMMENT.

MY QUESTION IS, ON THE BAIL THING, WHO DECIDES WHICH GENTLEMAN GETS BAILED OUT?

I'M THINKING $5,000, IF YOU HAD PEOPLE IN JAIL THAT WERE DRIVING ON SUSPENDED LICENSE, YOU COULD PROBABLY BAIL OUT LIKE 100 OF THEM FOR $5,000.

SO I WAS WONDERING WHO MADE THE DECISION ON THAT.

AND THEN MY COMMENT IS, AS A WOMAN -- AND I'M NOT BATTLED, I DON'T THINK, BUT I LOVE BEING A WOMAN AND I LOVE IT WHEN SOMEONE SAYS YOU LOOK LOVELY TONIGHT AND I LOVE HAVING A DOOR OPENED FOR ME.

I THINK WOMAN WERE BROUGHT UP NOT TO DO EVERYTHING A MAN CAN DO, BUT TO DO EVERYTHING A MAN CAN'T DO.

THAT'S MY QUESTION AND MY COMMENT.

>> THE JUDGE SETS THE BAIL, BUT NOW WHO DECIDES OF THIS ORGANIZATION, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR PROCESS IS, WHO DOES AND DOESN'T GET BADE OUT.

>> I DON'T, AND I DON'T BLAME KIM GARDNER FOR WANTING TO HELP THEM DO A BETTER JOB.

>> I DON'T EITHER.

>> I DON'T SEE WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT.

IT'S JUST A HORRIBLE TRAGEDY, ABOVE ALL ELSE, BUT AS THE ORGANIZATION -- AND THEY DID APOLOGIZE.

THEY DID ACKNOWLEDGE HOW TERRIBLE IT WAS IN THEIR STATEMENT, BUT I THINK IT WAS ROBIN -- I CAN'T THINK OF HER NAME.

>> I CAN'T THINK OF HER NAME EITHER.

>> BUT THEY DO GOOD WORK AND THEY TRY TO IDENTIFY, THEY TRY TO HELP RECTIFY SOME INJUSTICES, BUT OBVIOUSLY THIS WEREN'T HORRIBLY AWRY.

>> AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE, THEY PROBABLY DON'T HAVE THE PERSONNEL TO DO THIS AND THE A CITY THE SIZE OF ST.

LOUIS, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE BAILED OUT ON ANY GIVEN DAY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, DOES ANYBODY IN THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE GET A HEADS-UP?

LIKE IF I COME DOWN THERE TO BAIL SOMEBODY OUT, DO THEY GET A HEADS-UP THAT THEY CAN AT LEAST TELL ME, OH BY THE WAY, HE HAS A RESTRAINING ORDER AND HAS SOME VIOLENCE IN HIS PAST.

WE CAN'T STOP YOU FROM BAILING HE OR SHE OUT, BUT WE WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HEADS-UP.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVEN FEASIBLE.

>> IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

LET'S GO TO DAVID IN ALTON.

HELLO, DAVID.

>> Caller: HELLO THERE.

>> HOW YOU DOING?

>> Caller: I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THE BAIL PROBLEM AND THE PERSON GETTING OUT AND MURDERING HIS WIFE.

I THINK IT'S A SIMPLE SOLUTION.

WHEN PEOPLE ARE PUT IN BECAUSE OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY CAN BE BAILED OUT, BUT THEY HAVE TO HAVE, LIKE, A FIVE-DAY COOLING DOWN PERIOD BEFORE THEY CAN GET OUT.

AND THE OTHER PART OF THE PROBLEM THAT CAN BE FIXED TO ME, I THINK QUITE EASILY, WOULD BE COMMUNICATION.

COMMUNICATIONS BETWEEN -- WELL, THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SYSTEM.

SO SOMEBODY WOULD KNOW THAT GENTLEMAN WASN'T IN JAIL BECAUSE HE'S COMMITTED DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND, YOU KNOW, HE'S A THREAT.

THAT'S WHAT I THINK.

THAT'S MY OPINION.

>> NOW, THIS GENTLEMAN WAS NOT IN JAIL AT THIS TIME AND HE WAS NOT BAILED OUT FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

>> CORRECT, HE WAS IN -- >> IT'S ON HIS RECORD, BUT THIS WAS NOT, YOU KNOW -- AND COT ORGANIZATION DO SOME MORE DUE DILIGENCE AND FOUND OUT?

YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, BUT HE WAS NOT IN FOR ANY TYPE OF VIOLENT OFFENSE.

>> IT WAS A MISDEMEANOR ASSAULT, BUT IT WASN'T DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

IT'S A TOUGH CASE.

>> IT IS JUST A TERRIBLE SITUATION ALL THE WAY AROUND.

OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO ROSE IN ST.

LOUIS.

HI, ROSE.

>> Caller: HI.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE OPPOSITION WE HEAR ABOUT TO THE STATEWIDE VOTE ON THE BETTER TOGETHER ISSUE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE STATEWIDE VOTE THAT WAS DONE WHEN THE CITY SOUGHT TO GET IN CONTROL OF THE ST.

LOUIS CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT A FEW YEARS AGO.

>> A DISTINCTION?

>> OH, OKAY.

THERE WAS SOME STIPULATION WHY THAT HAD TO BE A STATEWIDE VOTE, AND I THINK IT IS -- I THINK IT RAN ALONG THOSE SAME LINES.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT HAD TO BE A STATEWIDE VOTE BECAUSE FOR SOME REASON, THE STATE IS INVOLVED, IF YOU CHANGE HOW THE GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE IS, IT CHANGES WHAT AT STATE, LIKE TAX SITUATION WOULD BE.

MAYBE MORE, MAYBE LESS, BUT THAT'S WHY THE ENTIRE STATE HAS TO VOTE ON IT.

THAT'S THE EXPLANATION I HEARD, BUT I'VE ALSO HEARD SOME EXPLANATIONS THAT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY TRUE, BUT I THINK IT IS THE EXACT SAME THING.

THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT YOU'RE MAKING ROSE.

I THINK THEY WERE KIND OF IN THE SAME BOAT.

>> THEY BOTH REQUIRED A CHANGE IN THE CONSTITUTION, I THINK, AND TO THOSE OF US THAT HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THIS PROCESS, IT'S NOT THAT THE STATE IS VOTING.

IT'S THAT THE STATE IS VOTING WITHOUT GIVING A -- MAKING IT ENABLING LEGISLATION.

IN OTHER WORDS, SO THAT AN APPROPRIATE STATE VOTE WOULD BE TO ENABLE ST.

LOUIS CITY AND COUNTY TO CARRY OUT BETTER TOGETHER'S PLAN.

THAT WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING I WOULD NEED -- THEN IT'S UP TO THE VOTERS IN THE CITY AND COUNTY WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

THE ISSUE, THOSE OF US THAT ARE TROUBLED WITH THIS, HAVE IS THE LACK OF LOCAL AUTONOMY AND THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT ENABLING.

IT'S -- >> RIGHT.

>> BUT IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> AND THEY BOTH -- THEY CERTAINLY BOTH APPLY TO -- BOTH REQUIRED STATE VOTES.

LET'S GO TO THE TWITTERVERSE.

FROM JDR1949, THE BAIL BLUNDER IS PROOF THAT A GOOD THING CAN SOMETIMES END BADLY.

IN THIS INSTANCE, IT ENDED TRAGICALLY.

NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

JOANIE82035791, I DON'T BELIEVE DUKE ABUSERS SHOULD BE BAILED OUT, NOR MURDERERS.

>> I THINK WE ADDRESSED THAT.

HOLY STAR 77 TWEETS, THE BAIL PROJECT, HOWEVER WELL INTENTIONED, ISN'T ENOUGH TO ADDRESS CASH BAIL.

HOW ABOUT REAL CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM LEGISLATION?

I'M HAVING TROUBLE READING.

LET'S END THIS TWO-TIERED SYSTEM WHICH CRUSHES THE POOR.

WHERE IS OUR EMPATHY?

>> YOU SEND A TWEET TO #DONNYBROOKSTL.

AND WE'RE GOING TO GO TO JULIE IN ST.

ANN.

HI, JULIE.

>> Caller: HELLO.

I DID NOT RELATE THAT THE NAACP IN THE CITY AND COUNTY COULDN'T GET ALONG.

I'M JUST WONDERING HOW THEY WOULD FEEL IF THE MAN WHO JUST LEFT NAACP TO GO TO BETTER TOGETHER, WOULD FEEL IF THE STATE HAD TO VOTE ON WHETHER THE NAACP CITY AND COUNTY HAD TO MERGE.

>> THAT'S A GOOD POINT, JULIE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> VERY GOOD QUESTION.

>> THAT PUTS -- WE'VE BEEN KIND OF SOLEMN HERE TODAY, BUT THAT PUT A SMILE ON MY FACE.

THANK YOU, JULIE.

>> JACKIE IN ST.

CHARLES, WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND?

TRY TO TOP THAT LAST CALL.

>> Caller: I CAN'T, BUT I'M GOING TO TRY.

I WANT TO TALK ALSO ABOUT THE NAACP AND THE MERGER, I MEAN BACKING THE BETTER TOGETHER.

I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT'S JUST WHERE THE POLITICS ARE COMING IN AND IT'S GETTING TO BE A LOT TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND.

I FEEL SORRY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT'S OVER THERE, THEY HAVE TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT THE REAL TRUTH AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PROBABLY GET TO THE TRUTH.

AND WITH THE BAIL SYSTEM, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN PROFITS OVER PEOPLE.

THANK YOU, GUYS, TO TAKING MY CALL.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU.

I AGREE WITH THAT LAST SENTIMENT.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> WHO'S NEXT?

>> JOHN IN HAZELWOOD.

HI, JOHN.

>> Caller: GOOD EVENING, GUYS.

I'M CALLING ABOUT THE BAIL SITUATION.

I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH THE OUTCOME OF THAT PARTICULAR ONE WAS VERY TRAGIC.

HOWEVER, I THINK THE -- I THINK THE CONSTITUTION HAS A PROVISION THAT THERE SHALL NOT BE EXCESSIVE BAIL, SO TO, YOU KNOW, REFUSE BAIL FOR A MURDERERS OR WHATEVER OFFENSE IS PROBABLY SOMEWHAT UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

BUT ONE THING THAT YOU GUYS REFERRED TO DURING THE PROGRAM WAS THAT THERE'S A BAIL CRISIS.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE CRISIS IS.

I THINK YOU CAN'T -- THE PURPOSE OF BAIL AS I UNDERSTAND IT IS TO LET PEOPLE OUT OF JAIL UNTIL THEY'VE BEEN CONVICTED, SO YOU CAN'T KEEP THEM IN JAIL JUST BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN ARRESTED FOR SOMETHING.

THEY HAVE TO HAVE A TRIAL AND BE CONVICTED TO BE PERMANENTLY SENTENCED TO JAIL, BUT THE BAIL IS TO ASSURE THAT THEY SHOW UP FOR TRIAL.

THERE HAS TO BE A SYSTEM, SO I'M NOT -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CRISIS IS.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT?

>> THE CRISIS IS THAT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, AND WESLEY BELL IS ADDRESSING THIS IN ST.

LOUIS COUNTY, THAT IN MANY, MANY COMMUNITIES, PEOPLE ARE BEING HELD IN PRISON BEFORE THEIR TRIAL, PRETRIAL, BASICALLY BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD BAIL.

AND WE'RE NOT TALKING -- UNDERSTAND, THIS PERSON THAT DID THIS HORRIBLE THING IS NOW AN ACCUSED MURDERER, BUT HE WASN'T BEING CHARGED WITH MURDER OR EVEN DOMESTIC VIOLENCE BEFORE HE CAME OUT.

SO MOST PEOPLE, IF THEY HAVE ANY KIND OF MEANS AT ALL, IF THEY ARE CHARGED WITH A CRIME OTHER THAN SOMETHING LIKE MURDER OR SOMETHING HOR RICK CRIME, ARE ABLE -- HORRIFIC CRIME, ARE AN I BELIEVE TO GET OUT OF JAIL WHILE THEY ARE AWAITING TRIAL.

AND BAIL IS SET FOR THE PURPOSE OF JUST MAKING SURE YOU SHOW UP FOR YOUR COURT DATE.

AND THE CRISIS IN MANY POOR COMMUNITIES IS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE BASICALLY SERVING TIME IN JAIL BEFORE THEY'VE EVER HAD THEIR DAY IN COURT.

>> RIGHT.

>> IS THAT FAIR?

>> TRUE, AND HAVE SERVED LONGER TIME IN JAIL THAN THEY WOULD BE IF CONVICTED OF WHATEVER IT WAS THEY WERE CHARGED WITH, WHAT A JUDGE WOULD HAVE SENTENCED THEM TO.

>> EXACTLY, SO THAT'S THE CRISIS.

>> THAT'S THE CRISIS.

JERRY IN SOUTH CITY.

HI, JERRY.

>> Caller: HI, ALVIN AND RAY.

THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL.

>> THANKS FOR WATCHING.

>> Caller: MY COMMENT IS -- I DO.

I TRY TO DO IT EVERY THURSDAY NIGHT WITHOUT FAIL.

>> WELL, THANK YOU.

>> APPRECIATE THAT.

>> Caller: BUT MY COMMENT IS ABOUT PEOPLE THAT ARE RUFFLED THEIR FEATHERS BECAUSE SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING THAT THEY DON'T CARE TO, YOU KNOW, THE COMMENT.

I WAS RAISED IN A GENERATION WHERE YOU SAY YES, MA'AM, NO, SIR.

I STILL SAY THAT TO PEOPLE YOUNGER THAN ME, YOU KNOW?

AND IF I SEE A PRETTY WOMAN AND I'M TALKING TO HER AND I SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK VERY NICE TODAY, I THANK YOU FOR LIGHTENING MY DAY, MAKING MY DAY BETTER FOR ME, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE GETTING TOO -- HOW SHOULD I SAY?

IT'S ON THEIR SHOULDERS RATHER THAN IN THEIR HEART, YOU KNOW?

AND YOU GOT TO STOP AND LOOK AT THE SITUATION AND YOU CAN'T OVER -- HOW DO YOU SAY?

OVERWORK THE PUZZLE OF IT TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION.

THERE IS NO SOLUTION.

>> OKAY.

>> WE'RE HUMAN, EVERYBODY HAS A COMMENT ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THEY LOOK GOOD, THEY DON'T LOOK BAD.

WHATEVER THE COMMENT IS, AND OUR SOCIETY IS GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE YOU MAKE A COMMENT AND SOMEONE LATER ON DOWN THE LINE A FEW YEARS, OH, I DIDN'T CARE FOR HIM DOING THAT, YOU KNOW.

HE TOUCHED ME AND I THOUGHT WHY THE HELL DID -- EXCUSE ME, WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST SAY SOMETHING AT THAT TIME TO LET THEM KNOW THAT YOU FELT BAD ABOUT IT?

>> WELL, JERRY, WOULD YOU AGREE, THOUGH -- I MEAN, WE HAVE A LOT -- I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS A LOT.

THE NORMS HAVE CHANGED AND THEY'RE NOT -- IT'S NOT ALWAYS BAD THAT NORMS CHANGE IN TERMS OF HO HOW YOU CONDUCT YOURSELF.

AS I SAY, I VERY MUCH DEFENDED DON MARSH, PARTICULARLY IN THE CONTEXT OF KAREN FOSS WHO I GIVE GREAT CREDIBILITY TO, BUT TIMES HAVE CHANGED AND I KNOW THAT THE ENVIRONMENT WE HAD IN THE OFFICE IN 1970s AND 1980s IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS TODAY.

AND I DON'T LOOK BACK ON THE 1980s OR '70s OR '90s AND SAY WELL, THOSE WERE THE GOOD OL' DAYS WHEN YOU COULD BE A LITTLE WILDER AND CRAZIER.

I THINK A LOT OF CHANGE IS FOR THE GOOD, BUT I THINK EVERY CASE HAS TO BE LOOKED AT INDIVIDUALLY, AND THAT'S -- THE THING THAT CONCERNS ME IS A LOT OF TIMES WE'RE POIAINTING HE HAVE BEEN WITH THE SAME BRUSH, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY A GENERATIONAL ISSUE AND IT'S ALL ABOUT THE PENDULUM, BUT I ALSO DON'T THINK WE SHOULD PUSH BACK SO HARD TO ASSUME THAT EVERYBODY THAT'S OFFENDED OR MAKING AN ACCUSATION IS THEREFORE UNJUST IN THEIR OPINION.

THAT'S ALL.

>> YEAH, THAT'S IT.

>> JUST A PENDULUM.

LET'S GO TO DEBBIE IN O'FALLON.

WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND, DEBBIE?

>> Caller: HI, THANKS FOR TAKING MY CALL.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE CASE WHERE THE PEOPLE WERE BAILED -- THE GENTLEMAN WAS BAILED OUT AND ENDED UP KILLING HIS WIFE.

>> RIGHT.

>> Caller: IT'S A SAD AND TERRIBLE THING THAT HAPPENED AND I WOULD THINK THAT MAYBE THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO FIND OUT SOME WAY, BE ABLE TO CHECK PRIOR CHARGES, THAT MAYBE THE PERSON BEEN ARRESTED ON BEFORE THEY BAIL SOMEBODY OUT.

COULD BE A HABITUAL CRIMINAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS GENTLEMAN WAS NOT THIS TIME TO DO WITH DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, BUT IF THEY HAD BEEN ABLE TO CHECK OUT HIS PAST HISTORY, THEY MIGHT HAVE FOUND SOME -- YOU KNOW, THAT THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN AN ISSUE.

>> YEAH, AND I'M SURE THE ORGANIZATION WILL TRY TO BE A LITTLE MORE STEADFAST AND MAYBE DO A LITTLE BIT MORE BACKGROUND ON PEOPLE.

AT THE SAME TIME, THEY DIDN'T SET THE BAIL.

THE JUDGE SET THE BILL.

>> I DON'T KNOW.

DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG AGO HIS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE WAS?

>> NO, I DO NOT.

>> I MEAN, I -- IT'S REALLY A -- I GOT TO SAY, WE KEEP CALLING HIM, BUT HE'S NOT A GENTLEMAN.

IT WAS A HORRIBLE TRAGEDY AND I'M CERTAINLY NOT -- NONE OF US ARE MINIMIZING THE TRAGEDY HERE.

IT WAS HORRIBLE, BUT I -- I'M NOT SURE IN THIS -- YOU KNOW, AS I SAID, I THINK IT'S GOOD THAT KIM GARDNER AND OTHERS WANT TO HELP TIGHTEN UP THE PROCESS.

>> OH, ABSOLUTELY, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

LOOK, THIS IS NOT THE PROSECUTOR'S FAULT.

THEY CHARGED THIS PERSON.

HE WAS JAILED.

THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM WORKS THAT WAY, AND JUST THE SAME WAY THAT I'M, YOU KNOW, CHARGED WITH A FELONY, SOME TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, VIOLENT ACT TOWARDS SOMEONE AND I -- YOU KNOW, MY DEFENSE ATTORNEY GETS ME OFF ON A TECHNICALITY OR HUNG JURY OR NOBODY SHOWS UP TO TESTIFY AGAINST ME, AND I GO OUT AND I TURN AROUND AND COMMIT A CRIME, THE ENTIRE JUDICIAL SYSTEM REALLY ISN'T SCRUTINIZED BECAUSE THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT WORKS.

>> AND THEY MADE THE POINT, THE BAIL PROJECT MADE THE POINT THAT HAD THIS PERSON NOT BEEN INDIGENT, THE RESULT WOULD HAVE BEEN HE HAD MANAGED TO GET HIMSELF OUT, PROBABLY WOULD HAVE THE SAME HORRIBLE TRAGIC RESULT.

>> BUT THE POINT IS FOR SOME REASON SOMEBODY BAILED HIM OUT, NOT THEM, BUT SOMEBODY, I THINK -- >> IF HE HAD BEEN ABLE -- MOST PEOPLE CAN GET BAILED OUT AND SO THAT'S THEIR POINT.

AGAIN, WE ALL ARE IN GRIEF FOR THE FAMILY.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> LET'S GO TO CONNIE FROM ST.

PETERS.

>> Caller: HI.

EVERY WEEK I HEAR ABOUT THE DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES MEETING ABOUT THE BETTER TOGETHER MERGER OF THE CITY AND -- THE CITY OF ST.

LOUIS AND ST.

LOUIS COUNTY AND I'M JUST WONDERING, WHAT IS ST.

LOUIS GETTING OUT OF THIS?

I SEE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S COMPLAINING THEY DON'T WANT TO BE INVOLVED, ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES, BUT JUST IS THE CITY OF ST.

LOUIS GETTING FROM THERE DEAL?

>> I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T THINK MOST PEOPLE DO.

THERE'S A LOT OF TALK THAT IT'S GOING TO SAVE MONEY AND, YOU KNOW, COMBINE POLICE FORCES, TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS AND DO THAT, BUT THERE'S JUST A LOT OF "I DON'T KNOWS."

>> WELL, THE CITY HAS VOTED TWICE WITH MARGINS OVER 75% TO IMPOSE AN EARNINGS TAX.

ONE OF THE THINGS THE CITY IS GETTING OUT OF THIS IS THAT AMAZING PLURALITY OF VOTERS IS HAVING THEIR WILL OVERTURNED BY ONE GUY, REX SINQUEFIELD, WHO THINKS THE CITY EARNINGS TAX WAS CREATED BY THE DEVIL.

AND SO THERE'S A GOOD QUESTION.

I THINK THAT CERTAINLY THE AFRICAN AMERICAN LEADERSHIP IN THE CITY, MANY MEMBERS OF IT FEEL THAT THEIR POWER AND THEIR CLOUT, THEIR ROLE WILL BE DILUTED BY THIS AND I THINK THEY'RE RIGHT ABOUT THAT.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE IN THE CITY ARE QUESTIONING ABOUT THIS.

THE FUTURE OF THEIR AIRPORT.

SO THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GETTING OUT OF IT, BUT WE KNOW -- >> WHAT IT MIGHT LOSE.

>> WHAT IT MIGHT LOSE.

>> EXCELLENT POINT, RAY.

>> THANK YOU.

>> DONNA IN AFFTON.

HI, DONNA.

>> Caller: HI THERE.

BEFORE I SAY WHAT I CALLED TO SAY, I JUST WANT TO SAY, I'M SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT THE DEATH OF JACK GALMICHE.

HE DID A GREAT JOB.

>> HE SURE DID.

>> Caller: AND SECONDLY, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE BAIL.

TWO THINGS.

FIRST, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THAT GUY'S BAIL WAS A THAT ARE OR $100,000.

WITH HIS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE RECORD AND THE RESTRAINING ORDER, HE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN BAILED OUT, PERIOD, AND THIS GROUP SHOULD HAVE BEEN INFORMED OF THAT.

EITHER THE GOVERNMENT -- OUR GOVERNMENT IS FAILING OR THE GROUP IS FAILING, BUT I REALLY THINK SOMEONE NEEDS TO GO TO PRISON IN THE GROUP OR THE GOVERNMENT FOR THIS BLUNDER.

>> WELL, DONE FLORIDA, DONE FLORIDA, THIS IS A -- DONNA, DONNA, THIS IS A PERSON WHO HAD BAIL SET -- >> RAY, RAY.

>> -- FOR MISDEMEANOR.

>> Caller: HE HAD A RECORD SHOW.

>> I GET THAT, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, OUR SYSTEM DOESN'T DENY ANY KIND OF BAIL FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE IN FOR MISDEMEANOR ASSAULT.

>> Caller: THIS GROUP SHOULD HAVE KNOWN HIS RECORD, RAY!

>> BUT DONNA, WE DON'T -- EVEN IF THEY KNEW THE RECORD, HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU THINK YOU CAN HAVE NO BAIL AT ALL FOR?

OBVIOUSLY IF SOMEBODY IS ARRESTED FOR MURDER, SOMETIMES THERE'S NO BAIL, USUALLY THERE IS NO, BUT WE DON'T HAVE NO BAIL SET FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

>> I MIGHT AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT, BUT WE'RE NOT EVEN ARGUING THAT.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER -- >> Caller: WELL, I AM, OKAY?

>> THERE'S NO ARGUMENT.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS YES, THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB.

>> Caller: YOU BET.

>> OKAY, THANKS, DONNA.

LET'S GO TO RILEY IN FLORISSANT.

HI, RILEY, HOW YOU DOING?

>> Caller: HI, GUYS, I'M DOING FINE.

GREAT SHOW TONIGHT AS USUAL.

BACK TO THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND THE MURDER CHARGES AND EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING TO BE PENDING, I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT THE MISDEMEANOR VIOLENCE CHARGE ON OR WHO OR DID HE THUMP ON SOMEBODY AND -- I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'VE GOT FOR TONIGHT.

I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS.

>> IT COULD BE AS SIMPLE AS GOTTEN IN A FIGHT AND PUNCHED SOMEBODY AND THEY PRESSED CHARGES, SO YOU'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ALL HAPPENED.

I'M NOT EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS, BUT IT WAS NOT IN CONNECTION WITH THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CASE.

AND THEN, EVEN IF YOU HAVE A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, YOU KNOW, CASE AGAINST YOU IN YOUR PAST, IF YOU GET IN TROUBLE FOR SOMETHING ELSE, IT'S STILL UNCONSTITUTIONAL TO JUST HOLD YOU.

I MEAN, LIKE I WAS DRIVING RECKLESSLY TEN YEARS AGO, I WAS, YOU KNOW, CONVICTED OF A DOMESTIC ASSAULT, THEY CAN'T JUST KEEP ME IN JAIL.

THEY CAN'T REFUSE ME BAIL.

I MEAN -- EXACTLY, AND EITHER THE JUDGE IN THIS CASE -- I DON'T KNOW WHO THE JUDGE WAS OR THE BAIL PROJECT COULD NOT FORESEE THE FUTURE.

ALL WE'RE TRYING TO SAY TO DONNA IS WE JUST DON'T HAVE A SYSTEM THAT EVERY TIME SOMEBODY HAS A MISDEMEANOR ASSAULT CHARGE, THAT WE SAY NO BAIL UNTIL TRIAL.

IT'S JUST -- THAT'S JUST NOT DONE.

AND IN THIS CASE, THE ONLY THING THAT WAS DISTINCTIVE ABOUT THIS WAS AN ORGANIZATION CONCERNED ABOUT CASH BAIL WAS THE ONE THAT STEPPED UP INSTEAD OF THE GUY'S FAMILY OR FRIENDS, WHICH IS WHAT NORMALLY HAPPENS.

>> AND IF I HAD -- FOR SOME REASON, IF I HAD BAILED THIS PERSON OUT OR I'M A FAMILY MEMBER AND I BAILED THEM OUT, I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR HIM GOING AND MURDERING HIS WIFE.

>> THE IDEA THAT WE CHARGE BEAM THAT BAILED THEM OUT -- THEY'RE TRYING TO IDENTIFY CASES.

YOU KNOW WHAT?

I THINK WE'RE OUT OF TIME.

>> I BELIEVE SO, TOO.

>> AGAIN, WE WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR WATCHING.

OUR CONDOLENCES FOR JACK GALMICHE'S FAMILY.

GREAT LOSS TO THE NINE NETWORK, PBS, AND WE WILL SEE YOU AGAIN NEXT THURSDAY NIGHT.

THANKS FOR WATCHING.

>> HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

GO BLUES!