Donnybrook
May 15, 2025
Season 2025 Episode 20 | 27m 47sVideo has Closed Captions
Alvin Reid debates with Jaime Mowers, Joe Holleman, Wendy Wiese, and Bill McClellan.
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorship>> VERY HOT.
>> REMEMBER THAT ONE.
I LOOKED IT UP.
THE HIGH FOR THE TODAY SIX WEEKS AGO WAS 40 DEGREES.
LET'S NOT COMPLAIN ABOUT THE WEATHER.
WELCOME TO "DONNYBROOK."
NEXT TO ME IS MEDIA VETERAN WENDY WIESE.
THEY MISSED YOU.
"DONNYBROOK" FOUNDER, BILL McCLELLAN FROM THE ST. LOUIS POST DISPATCH.
POLITICAL WRITER JOE HOLLEMAN, JOINING ME JAIME MORRIS FROM KIRKWOOD TIMES.
I TELL YOU WHAT, LITTLE BIT OF BAD NEWS.
KIT BOND, FORMER SENATOR AND GOVERNOR AND GENUINE POLITICIAN AND NICE MAN PASSED AWAY THIS WEEK.
WE ALL HAD SOME MET HIM STORIES ABOUT HIM.
I WILL START WITH YOU BILL.
SOMETHING YOU REMEMBER ABOUT THE FORMER GOVERNOR.
>> HE EMPLOYED OUR OLD FRIEND RAY HARTMANN.
KIT BOND HAD BEEN AROUND SO LONG IN MISSOURI POLITICS.
HE SAID HE COULD NEVER WHEN HE WAS INTRODUCED TO SOMEBODY, HE COULD NEVER SAY NICE TO MEET YOU.
I'M AMAZED HE REMEMBERS.
HE WAS A VERY NICE MAN.
>> HE WAS.
HE WAS A VERY NICE MAN.
AS RAY POINTED OUT, IF THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE INTERESTED IN READING RAY'S COLUMN, IT'S SUBSTACK.
IT'S RAY HARTMANN'S SOAP BOX ON SUBSTACK.
HE'S SHARING ALL THESE WONDERFUL STORIES.
MOST OF ALL, HE WAS SO COMMITTED TO THE PEOPLE OF MISSOURI.
WHAT I ENJOYED ABOUT HIM AS MEMBER OF THE MEDIA IS, HE DID NOT TAKE HIMSELF TOO SERIOUSLY.
HE TOOK HIS JOB VERY SERIOUSLY.
HE TOOK THE UNITED STATES SENATE INTERNAL -- ATTORNEY GENERAL VERY SERIOUSLY.
THAT WAS LOVELY AT THE TIME.
>> I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS YOUNGER, HE WAS, IF YOU RECALL, ONE OF THE LIBERAL REPUBLICANS.
HE AND JOHN DANFORTH WERE.
THERE WAS A WONDERFUL QUOTE WHERE DANFORTH SAID THAT WHEN HE TOOK OFFICE AS ATTORNEY GENERAL, HE HIRED HIM, KIT BOND AND COUPLE OF OTHER PEOPLE.
ONE THING WE HAD IN COMMON WAS NONE OF US KNEW WHAT WE WERE DOING.
I LIKED HOW HE SIGNED OUT OF THE SENATE.
I WAS THE YOUNGEST GOVERNOR IN THE HISTORY OF MISSOURI.
I DON'T WANT TO BE OLDEST SENATOR.
A CLASSY GUY.
A REPUBLICAN.
ONE OF THOSE OLD SCHOOL POLITICIANS WHO WHEN IT CAME DOWN TO IT, SEEM TO BE WILLING TO SIT TOWN AT THE TABLE AND HAMMER OUT AGREEMENTS.
>> MISSOURI IS ADVANCED BEFORE A LOT OF OTHER STATES ON PARENTS AS TEACHERS PAUSE OF KIT POND.
MY MOM WAS FORMER PRESIDENT MISSOURI STATE TEACHER ASSOCIATION.
WE WERE TAUGHT TO ANSWER THE PHONE, GREET PRESIDENTS, WHOEVER SPEAKING.
MY MOM, LIKE GOVERNOR BOND CALLED YOU.
MY MOM SAID, I'LL CALL HIM BACK LATER.
HE WAS VERY MUCH A SUPPORTER OF EDUCATION.
WE NEED THAT IN THE STATE AND IN THE COUNTRY NOW.
KIT BOND WILL BE MISSED.
>> HE USED TO CALL A TEACHER NAMED MILDRED LEWIS.
NOT A FAMOUS PERSON OR BIG UNION PERSON.
KIT BOND HAD MET HER.
HE WOULD CHECK IN.
>> THAT'S KIND OF GUY HE WAS.
THE GUYS AGALS DOWN IN THE STATE SENATE.
WE WILL BE VOTING AGAIN ON REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS.
THE MINIMUM WAGE WILL BE $15 COME AUGUST.
THERE WILL BE NO COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT AND SICK LEAVE IS OUT THE WINDOW.
ON TOP OF THAT, $500 MILLION THAT THE GOVERNOR WANTED TO SEND TO THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS FOR DEVELOPMENT DOWNTOWN.
ALSO PUT ON HOLD FOR NOW, IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN UNTIL NEXT YEAR.
WE'LL START WITH THE PREPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS.
WE VOTED AND IT PASSED.
WHY ARE WE STILL GOING OVER THERE?
>> THE STATE LEGISLATURE HAD THE POWER TO DO IT.
IT'S IT'S -- IT'S NOT LIKE THE FIRST TIME THE STATE LEGISLATURE IGNORED A REFERENDUM VOTE.
COME BACK AND SAY WE DIDN'T MEAN THAT.
I'M OF MIX MIND ABOUT IT COMING BACK.
I'M SORRY TO SEE IT COULD BE OVERTURNED.
I DO BELIEVE THAT IT SHOWS, I SAID IT ON THIS SHOW BEFORE, WE HAVE TO HAVE A HIGHER THRESHOLD THAN A SIMPLE MAJORITY TO CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE.
WHAT CAN HAPPEN, IT WILL KEEP BOUNCING BACK-AND-FORTH.
ESPECIALLY AN ISSUE LIKE THIS.
IN MY MIND, IT'S MY OPINION ONLY, LET'S ASSUME THIS TIME THEY TURNED DOWN THE RIGHT TO ABORTION.
THEN THE PRO CHOICE ADVOCATES WILL BE OUT FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS WORKING ON IT AND IT GOES BACK ON THE BALLOT AGAIN.
THERE NEEDS TO BE A HIGHER THRESHOLD SO THE POLITICIANS REALIZE THAT THE PEOPLE AREN'T THE SLIM MAJORITY WANTS IT.
THAT'S WHAT THE SUBSTANTIAL PART OF -- >> I AGREE, WE NEED HIGHER THAN 50 PLUS ONE TO CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION.
WHAT REALLY BOTHERS ME ABOUT THIS IS THE WAY THEY HAVE WORDED IT TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THIS IS ALLOWING ABORTION.
SHOULD A WOMB ALLOWED TO GET AN ABORTION, BLAH BLAH.
IT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT CURTAILING A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE.
IT MAKES IT SEEM LIKE YOU'RE PRO CHOICE, YOU'D VOTE YES.
IT SEEM LIKE IT'S A TRICKY SIDEWAYS APPROACH.
I DON'T LIKE IT AT ALL.
>> I THINK IT'S EMBARRASSING.
I THINK IT'S EMBARRASSING.
I THINK YOU HAVE STATES THAT ARE KNOWN AS CLASS ACTION STATES.
WE HAVE BECOME THE STATE THAT OVERTURNS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.
I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU GUYS ARE SAYING.
IT'S JUST -- IT'S TERRIBLE.
IN TERMS OF PUPPY MILLINGS.
PEOPLE, AT LEAST, ACCORDING TO SOCIAL MEDIA, THEY ARE IRATE ABOUT THIS.
>> THE VOTE WILL NOT BE FOR ANOTHER YEAR.
WHICH I GUESS IT COULD BE HELD IN THE SPRING.
SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AUGUST.
WHICH WILL BE THE PRIMARY.
THEN IT WAS IN NOVEMBER FOR THE MIDTERMS.
THAT WOULD DOOM REPEAL WHAT WAS PASSED THE FIRST TIME.
IN THE MEANTIME, ST. LOUIS, THEY CARE SO MUCH ABOUT ST. LOUIS DOWN THERE IN JEFFERSON CITY UNTIL WE ACTUALLY NEED SOMETHING FROM THEM.
THOUGHTS ON THE MONEY THAT WAS TAKEN.
YOU CAN'T SAY TAKEN.
JUST NEVER GOT HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
ANY THOUGHTS?
I JUST FEEL LIKE ONCE AGAIN, THEY'VE SHOWN THEIR TRUE COLOR.
THEY DON'T LIKE ST. LOUIS DOWN IN JEFFERSON CITY.
ONCE AGAIN, THEY'VE SHOWN IT.
>> I THOUGHT AS LONG AS THE GOVERNOR WAS FOR IT THAT THE LEGISLATURE WOULD SAY, OKAY.
ST. LOUIS IS A FINANCIAL ENGINE OF THE STATE.
OR AT LEAST ONE OF THE TWO.
I THOUGHT IT GO ALONG WITH THE GOVERNOR.
>> WHEN IT COMES TO ST. LOUIS.
I GUESS THEY SAID, YOU'RE FROM ST. LOUIS.
NO USE FOR YOU EITHER >> THEY MADE IT A HINT HE CAN SPEND SOME OF HIS DISCRETIONAL MONEY IF HE WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.
I HATE TO THROW OUT THE NOTION THAT SAVING $500 MILLION IS A BAD IDEA.
IT'S JUST THIS WAS COMING FOR ST. LOUIS.
I THINK THAT'S THE PART THAT GETS IN MY HEAD.
>> LET'S BE PROVINCIAL HERE.
SPEAKING OF WHICH, THE STATE FOR SOME REASON STILL HAS NOT NAMED WHOEVER WILL BE IN CHARGE SETTING THE BOARD OR PICKING OR HELPING SELECT THE PEOPLE ON THE BOARD WHICH SOUNDS TO ME JUST A SIGN THAT THEY MIGHT BE HAVING TROUBLE FINDING PEOPLE TO DO THIS JOB.
THE STATE IS STILL HELL BENEFIT TAKING OVER THE STATE POLICE FORCE.
THE CITY THREW A CURVE.
NOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN NOW PAY FOR ITS SERVICINGS.
BILL, SNEAKY MOVE OR CRAFTY?
>> I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS A FINE MOVE BY THE CITY.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT.
I DON'T THINK THAT FROM THE COPS THAT I KNOW AND EXCOPS NOW, THAT FINANCE HAS MUCH TO DO WITH IT.
IT'S MORE LIKE WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO OLD WAY POLICE DEPARTMENT ANSWERS TO A GROUP OF BUSINESSMEN.
DO YOU WANT TO BE UNDER THE CONTROL OF CITY POLITICIANS?
COPS WOULD RATHER HAVE BUSINESSMEN THAN CITY POLITICIANS.
IT ISN'T ABOUT THE MONEY.
IF THE CITY WANTS TO SAY, WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THIS AND THAT, THAT'S FINE.
>> WHAT WOULD PEOPLE SAY KIRKWOOD IF SOMEBODY TOOK OVER THE POLICE FORCE?
>> THEY WOULD SAY NO WAY.
IN WEBSTER GROVES AND KIRKWOOD, WE WANT CONTROL OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
>> I'M STILL WITH BILL IN TERMS OF LET THE POLICE OFFICERS DICTATE THEIR OWN COURSE.
IF THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT, THEN SO BE IT.
>> I AGREE.
>> OKAY.
I DISAGREE.
[ LAUGHTER ] I KNOW JOE, YOU'RE DOWN WITH IT TOO.
>> I'M ALWAYS INTERESTED WHAT PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE COUNTY THINK OF OUR CITY.
>> YOU'RE BY YOURSELF TODAY.
ALL RIGHT.
WE'RE GOING TO STAY IN JEFFERSON CITY FOR ANOTHER MOMENT HERE.
HOUSE REPRESENTATIVE FROM NORTH COUNTY.
WHEN I SAY SIDED, THAT MAY NOT BE THE RIGHT WORD.
SHE SUPPORTED A BILL THAT WILL NOW SEND PUBLIC MONEY TO LIKE A SCHOOL VOUCHER PROGRAM.
DEMOCRATS, SOME DEMOCRATS BUT MOSTLY, MINORITY CHAIR, STRIPPED HER OF HER COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS AND BASICALLY SAID LIKE, WE ARE NOT GOING DOWN THAT PATH.
SHE HAD A STATEMENT THAT SHE WILL ALWAYS STAND UP AND SUPPORT THE KIDS AND YOU CAN'T SHUTTER HER UP BY TAKING HER COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENT.
PEN WENDY IS SHE IN RIGHT HERE?
ARE DEMOCRATS KIND OF SAYING, THERE'S A LINE AND YOU PASSED IT?
>> SHE STEPPED OVER A LINE FOR SOME OF THE PEOPLE FOR THEIR TASTE.
I THINK THIS PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE OR COULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.
MAYBE AN INTERNAL SORT OF IF YOU GOING TO REBUKE, DO IT INTERNALLY.
I THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT -- SHE SAID THAT SHE'S A FIGHTER.
SHE'S GETTING TO KEEP FIGHTING FOR THE KIDS.
IN TERMS OF P.R.
NOW, SHE'S WINNING.
>> ALL RIGHT.
THEY ARE OUTNUMBERED.
>> THEY ARE OUTNUMBERED.
FOR SURE.
I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD FOR HER TO MAKE THIS ABOUT THE KIDS.
>> EVEN THOUGH, NONE OF THOSE -- >> THE DEMOCRATS ARE BELEAGUERED MINORITY.
I THINK THIS IDEA PUNISHING SOMEBODY AND TAKING AWAY THEIR COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS BECAUSE THEY VOTED AGAINST THE TRUE WAY.
IT DOESN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE.
>> SOMETIMES PEOPLE DO THE RIGHT THING FOR ALL THE WRONG REASONS.
THAT'S WHAT THE DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS DID THIS TIME.
THE RIGHT REASON WOULD HAVE BEEN TO SAY, YOU VOTED AGAINST OUR PARTY AFTER YOU RECEIVED A $2000 CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION AND HAD $17,000 WORTH OF FLIERS PRINTED WHICH WE REPORTED ON BACK WHEN IT HAPPENED.
CALLING IN TO QUESTION HOW SACRED YOUR VOTE WAS TO YOU.
IN THAT CASE, YEAH, I THINK THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN NOTED.
THE IDEA THAT THEY TOOK THEM AWAY, SHE BROKE WITH THE PARTY.
THAT IS BASICALLY PARTISAN POLITICS, GROUP THINK.
I DO BELIEVE THAT AT LEAST A BROUGHT THE ATTENTION TO IS YOU SEEM TO GOTTEN MONEY FROM THE VERY PEOPLE WHO WANTED YOU TO VOTE THAT WAY.
THEN THAT GROUP ONCE THEY GOT THEIR WAY, DISBANDED.
A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
>> MONEY OR PRINCIPLE?
>> PRINCIPLE.
>> YOU STAND WITH -- >> I MEAN, IT'S BOTH WAYS.
I DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT SHE TOOK THE MONEY AND -- IT'S TOUGH.
I AGREE WITH WENDY AND THAT, IT PROBABLY COULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED BEHIND THE SCENES.
THAT KIND OF THING COULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BIT JUST LIKE, HEY, LET'S DO THAT.
>> THE DEMOCRATS IN JEFFERSON CITY AREN'T THE 800-POUND GORILLA.
MAYBE A LITTLE JUST CRAFTSMANSHIP ON THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN BENEFICIAL.
>> I THINK SO.
>> LITTLE PUBLIC HUMILIATION.
[ LAUGHTER ] >> YOU DO THE RIGHT THING FOR ALL THE WRONG THINGS.
THAT WAS PART OF IT.
PETTY AND VINDICTIVE.
>> I SAID BEFORE, SOMETIMES IT COMES DOWN TO THE ISSUE ITSELF.
I'M REALLY STAUNCH ON THIS EDUCATION ISSUE IF IT HAD BEEN ANOTHER VOTE FOR ANOTHER CAUSE, I WOULD HAVE SAID THAT WAS A LITTLE HEAVY HANDED.
MAYBE I'M BEING A LITTLE -- I DON'T WANT TO SAY.
>> IT WAS A TIE.
>> THAT'S A GOOD POINT, BILL.
BASICALLY, SHE DIDN'T DECIDE THE PASS ALL -- PASSAGE OF THE BILL.
>> THE LEGISLATURE DID NOT DISCIPLINE ANYBODY FOR TAKING QUESTIONABLE CONTRIBUTIONS.
GOD KNOWS THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN.
>> THEY'RE ALL IN LINE DOWN THERE.
WELL, I WONDERED WHY THE SCHOOL BOARD DIDN'T TAKE THIS ACTION.
A PRIVATE CITIZEN HAS SUED THE FORMER SUPERINTENDENT OF ST. LOUIS PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
WASN'T WANTS THAT MONEY BACK THAT WAS SPENT AT BILL'S FAVORITE RESTAURANT.
THE CHOP HOUSE.
>> I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE IT IS.
[ LAUGHTER ] >> I KNOW WHEN WE LOOK AT IT, IT'S LIKE, THAT WAS JUST DREADFUL STUFF.
A LAWSUIT IS -- COULD IT WORK OR IS THIS MORE LIKE LEGAL FILING?
I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE PLAINTIFF OTHER THAN WHAT I READ.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS -- WHEN SAY SINCERE, I DON'T MEAN THAT HE'S KIDDING AROUND.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S INVOLVED WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OR JUST A CITIZEN.
>> WE GO BACK TALKING ABOUT THE LEGISLATURE BEING VINDICTIVE AND MEAN SPIRITED.
IN THIS CASE, I'M OKAY BEING VINDICTIVE AND MEAN SPIRITED FOR WHAT THEY DID.
IF THAT'S ALL THIS IS IS TO EMBARRASS THEM OR COMPLICATE THEIR LIVES WITH THIS LAWSUIT.
I SAY GOOD.
MY GUESS, IT'S ONLY A GUESS, MAYBE THEY NEEDED A CITIZEN TO SUE THEM AND THE BOARD COULDN'T DO IT.
SORT OF DE FACTO, THE BOARD OKAYED THESE THINGS.
>> ARE YOU IN A WAY SUING SLPS AND THE BOARD?
ARE THEY CULPABLE IN THE LAWSUIT?
I'M ASKING A LEGAL QUESTION THAT I CAN'T ANSWER.
>> THAT MIGHT BE DANGEROUS.
>> YES, I WONDER TO JOE'S POINT, CAN THE DISTRICT BRING SUIT AGAINST HER WHILE AT THE SAME TIME, THEY WERE KIND OF APPROVING GREEN LIGHTING.
I'M SURE, OBVIOUSLY, THEY DIDN'T KNOW ALL THAT WAS GOING ON.
ARE THEY IN LEGAL POSITION WHERE THEY CAN DO THAT, BRING A LAWSUIT AGAINST THEMSELF.
THAT'S A LEGAL QUESTION, I CAN'T ANSWER EITHER.
CERTAINLY, THIS PRIVATE CITIZEN HAS THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
ALL OF THE ALLEGATIONS WOULD BE TO BELIEVED EMBARRASS IS NOT ON ANYBODY'S PLAY LIST.
ON THE SLPS IN TERMS OF WHAT WHEN IT COMES TO EXPENDITURES SHADY AT BEST.
EMBARRASSED.
I DON'T THINK THEY WILL BE EMBARRASSED.
>> IF I RECALL, KIM GARDNER GOT SUED.
>> RETIRED POLICEMAN.
BECAME FAMOUS OR INFAMOUS FOR SEEING KIM GARDNER.
I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING HAPPENED.
THERE COULD BE A STORY IN THE POST DISPATCH.
THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ENOUGH FOR CHARLIE.
JUST TO BE A THORN.
>> WE'RE DOWN THE SAME PATH ABOUT LEGISLATORS AND TAKING VOTES.
IF WE CAN SUE PRIVATELY, ANY GOVERNMENTAL OFFICIAL WHO DID A TERRIBLE JOB.
>> THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
>> THAT LINE WILL BE LONG!
[ LAUGHTER ] WE CAN EMBARRASS THEM.
>> THERE'S SEVERAL FILED AGAINST THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES RIGHT NOW.
YOU KNOW MAYBE WE'RE IN A NEW ERA.
WELL, I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THE SECURITY GATES THEY ARE PUTTING AT THE METROLINK STATION.
THEY REPORTED THAT THE GATES DON'T WORK.
JAIME JUST ANOTHER THING?
>> I DON'T THINK SO.
IF HISTORY TAUGHT US ANYTHING, IT'S THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FIXED QUICKLY.
THEY'RE NOT THE PERSON WHO WAS QUOTED IN THE POST DISPATCH STORY SAID, THEY WERE WORSE THAN USELESS.
NOW THE ONLY THING THAT'S HAPPENING IS INCREASING FRUSTRATION, CAUSING DELAYS.
THE ONE WOMAN TALKED ABOUT SHE ALREADY HAS A TWO HOUR COMMUTE THIS ADDS AT LEAST 30 MINUTES.
OF COURSE, METRO LINK SAYS YOU CAN TOUCH THE BUZZARD.
A LOT OF RIDERS SAYING, THAT CAME LIKE 30 MINUTES LATE.
IT'S LIKE IT WENT -- I NO THAT METROLINK WANTS THE PERCEPTION OF SAFETY.
THEY WANT TO ENHANCE THAT.
AT THE SAME TIME, WHY PUT THE GATES UP NOW?
THEY SHOULD WAIT UNTIL THE WHOLE SYSTEM CAN WORK IN TANDEM.
>> I THINK IT'S KIND OF FUN THAT WE HAVE A JAIL THAT YOU CAN'T LOCK THE CELLS AND WE HAVE A METROLINK THAT YOU CAN'T UNLOCK THE GATES.
>> WE COULD MOVE THE PRISONERS TO THE METROLINK -- I THINK YOU'RE ON TO SOMETHING.
>> I'M GOING TO GO WITH SOMETHING.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT METROLINK.
ALL THE MONEY YOU'RE SPENDING ADD MORE BUS ROUTES AND ACTUALLY HELP PEOPLE OUT.
WE'VE TRIED TO SHOE HORN -- WE'RE NOT A SUBWAY CITY.
WE'RE NOT A COMMUTER TRAIN CITY.
YOU LOOK AT THE CITIES THAT HAVE IT.
PEOPLE GO, WHAT ABOUT NEW YORK, WHAT ABOUT CHICAGO.
THOSE TRAINS HAVE BEEN THERE A 100 YEARS.
THIS CITY WAS BUILT AROUND THE AUTOMOBILE.
WHAT PEOPLE NEED ARE A LOT MORE BUS ROUTES RUNNING NORTH SOUTH ON A REGULAR BASIS, GOOD BUSES THAT RUN AND SHOW UP EVERY 15 MINUTES.
I THINK YOU'D HAVE A WHOLE A LOT OF PROBLEMS GET SOLVED.
IT'S GOT TO BE BETTER THAN PUTTING IN GATES THAT YOU KNOW DIDN'T WORK WHEN YOU PUT THEM IN.
>> I'M GOING TO STAND UP.
METROLINK IS A THING THAT SHOULD BE EXPANDED.
I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO GO NORTH, SOUTH.
RATHER GO EAST, WEST.
I APPRECIATE THAT THE GATES ARE THERE.
I HOPE THEY CAN GET THEM WORKING.
I THINK THEY ARE REPORT.
I THINK PEOPLE DO FEEL SAFER.
EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T WORK RIGHT NOW, I THINK IT STILL MAKES YOU FEEL SAFER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE GATE.
>> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT.
I DON'T KNOW.
I'M NOT SURE THAT THE GATE MAKES ME FEEL SAFER.
>> THEY ARE SAFER BUT THEY FEEL SAFER BUT THEY'RE ALSO LATER, GETTING TO THEIR DESTINATION.
THE ONLY WORD THAT I CAN COME UP WITH PLAGUE.
IS IT TYPICAL FOR CITY THIS SIZE TO HAVE AS MANY ISSUES WITH RAPID TRANSIT AS WE HAVE HAD?
IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT IS A GIVEN.
>> I WOULD TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU.
WHEN WE LIVED IN D.C. AREA, THE METRO WORKED FINE 90% OF THE TIME.
IT HAD ISSUES SOMETIMES.
PEOPLE WOULD LOSE THEIR MIND.
IT WASN'T WORKING.
STUFF HAPPENED.
IT WAS WAY LARGER.
IT'S NOT 100 YEARS OLD.
THERE IS -- THERE ARE PROJECTS LIKE THAT AREN'T AS OLD AS NEW YORK CITY AND CHICAGO.
ST. LOUIS COULD EXPAND.
I THINK IT SHOULD EXPAND AND WE STARTED WITH KIT BOND, STORY.
HE WAS SPEAKING AT UNION STATION AT A NATIONAL TRANSPORTATION CONFERENCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS MORE ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE AND SOMEBODY IN THE AUDIENCE ASKED ABOUT, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT EXPANDING THE METROLINK.
IT EXPANDED BACK IN THE MID-90s.
HE SAID, NOBODY CARE ABOUT MASS TRANSITS WE LIKE TO DRIVE CARS.
[ LAUGHTER ] WE WERE KIND OF LOOKING AT EACH OTHER.
>> THE MAN SPOKE THE TRUTH.
[ LAUGHTER ] >> I WORKED AT RCDA, I'M LIKE, DID HE SAY THAT.
[ LAUGHTER ] >> I'M A U.S.
SENATOR, I CAN SAY ANYTHING I WANT.
WE GOT A MINUTE LEFT.
BILL YOU BROUGHT SOMETHING UP.
INCARNATE WORD IS MOVING FROM NORTH COUNTY.
THAT'S A BLOW.
>> I THINK IT'S A TERRIBLE THING.
INCARNATE WORD IS OFF SEASON -- IS SUCH AN ANCHOR OF NORTH COUNTY.
THE IDEA IT'S GOING TO MOVE TO ST. CHARLES.
NO FARTHER THAN THE SHOPPING CENTER.
WHICH IS AFAR.
I THOUGHT, GOSH, IT'S JUST -- MAYBE -- JUST SOMEBODY WATCHING FROM AFAR.
VERY SAD.
>> SAD ESPECIALLY, I UNDERSTAND THEIR REASONING.
YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR YOUR SCHOOL.
MORE OF OUR PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE WAY.
WE'VE GOT TO GO WHERE OUR AUDIENCE IS.
THE SAD PART IS IT IS A MART MOVE.
IT'S TOO BAD.
>> AND CBC MOVED FROM YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD OUT WEST.
I BELIEVE THEY DID IT WITHOUT -- >> IF YOU WANT TO SEND A LETTER, PLEASE SEND TO DONNYBROOK.
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WE'LL BE BACK WITH YOU IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES AS WE DISCUSS A COUPLE OF OTHER TOPICS AND SPORTS THAT'S OUT OF THIS WORLD.
I WANT TO THANK JAIME MORRIS FROM KIRKWOOD TIMES.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT.
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