John: Medical imaging, like x-rays and ct scans, are routine, non-invasive, and painless tools for doctors to make diagnoses.

But a recent study of about 4 million U.S.

And Canadian children published in the new England journal of medicine suggests that the radiation exposure from imaging could pose a risk.

It estimates that about 10% of blood cancers, like leukemia and lymphoma, in the study group may have been attributable to radiation exposure from medical imaging.

Dr.

Rebecca smith-beinman is the lead author of the study, and she's a professor at the university of California, San Francisco.

Dr.

Smith-bindman, is this the first time, first study to focus on children and in such a large scale?

Dr.

Smith-beinman: It is, it's the first study that looks at children and all kinds of medical tests that they observe, and then we follow those children for a long period of time.

We added up their cumulative dose of radiation from all those tests, identified which children were diagnosed with hematologic cancer to allow us to estimate the risks of those exams.

John: Are children particularly vulnerable to exposure to radiation?

Dr.

Smith-beinman: They are, they're vulnerable we think for two reasons.

First, because they have a long life expectancy in front of them and the risk of developing a cancer from radiation is cumulative over time and the risks last a whole lifetime.

But also their cells are rapidly dividing, they're growing and that makes them particularly vulnerable to the kind of damage that's caused by the radiation.

John: The study as I understand it said that even low levels of radiation from one or two ct scans can increase the risk.

What's the significance of that?

Dr.

Smith-beinman: It's not just ct scans that increase the risk.

It's all kinds of radiation.

So we use radiation from all different kinds of medical tests, from radiographs, like you would get for a bone fracture or to look for pneumonia, all the way up to higher dose studies like fluoroscopy or ct scans.

And we found that the risk of hematologic cancer, even at relatively low doses, is increased.

So it really underscores the need to minimize radiation.

John: Are doctors overusing medical imaging?

It becomes fairly standard, in my experience, to do either an x-ray or even a ct scan very early on.

Dr.

Smith-beinman: A really important point and what our research highlights is the need to justify every exam that uses radiation and on top of that to make sure that the doses we use for those exams are as low as possible.

Are we hoping to learn something from this exam and not to sort of just get the exams because we can?

Parents really need to be informed that the medical imaging could really help their child, but it also could be unnecessary.

And so really to think very carefully every time an exam is ordered and every time you ask for an exam.

John: Are there guidelines about this, guidelines that physicians have to follow, or if they're not, should there be?

Dr.

Smith-beinman: I think we need more rigorous guidelines that really help guide what tests we do in different circumstances.

So I can give you a concrete example.

We know that to diagnose appendicitis, we could use ultrasound instead of ct scans.

And for younger children, we often do start with ultrasound, and in older children, we often go right to ct, which has much more radiation than even just getting some kinds of radiographs that are unnecessary.

We need much more explicit guidelines and we need physicians to be held accountable and we need to do a better job as physicians of following those guidelines and avoiding the higher dose studies, if it's possible.

John: You mentioned earlier parents, what should parents think about or do if a doctor suggests or orders medical imaging for their child?

Dr.

Smith-beinman: So I think it's a little bit of a nuanced situation.

Parents should absolutely not refuse medical imaging, but I think they can open a dialog and ask, do we really need this test?

I will give you an extreme example.

A child was in a car accident and has severe injuries.

You need to do the ct scan and you need to it right away.

So it's circumstances like that, you just get the scans.

In other situations, the doctor orders a test in an outpatient setting.

I think it's appropriate for the parents to discuss it with the physician, do we really need the test, do we need it now and if we do is it possible to replace a radiation-based test with a non-radiation-based tests, such as mri or ultrasound that doesn't use ionizing radiation.

It doesn't increase the risk of cancer.

So I think it's that dialog that's so important.

John: Dr.

Rebecca smith-bindman of ucsf, thank you very much.

Dr.

Smith-beinman: Thank you so much for covering this important topic.

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